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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7573384" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>True, but only after your turn is over is it true. For instance, at the start of your turn, you have not taken the attack action on your turn. If you move first, you still have not taken the attack action on your turn. If you then take the attack action, you've now taken the attack action on your turn and earned the bonus action. You're skipping to the end of the turn and making the assumption that an attack action was taken, and then jumping back to the beginning.</p><p></p><p>IFF X, Y isn't future looking, it's a conditional statement that says if X is true, then Y is true. What you're doing is looking ahead and assuming X and then allowing Y. IFF X, Y does not entail looking towards the future. You can only check the validity of conditional statements in the present and past. If anything, a conditional statement is a model of what we assume the future to be, but you have to get there to check. You're making an assumption, which is no part of the conditional.</p><p></p><p>Even if you read the Shield Master feat as "If you take the attack action at any time during your turn, you..." the above applies, because it's still a conditional that X must be true before Y. What you want is a statement that says, "If you plan to take the attack action on your turn, you get a bonus action and are now required to take the attack action during your turn."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good, so declarations of actions isn't part of this and we're only evaluating the conditional. Which means my above is on point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7573384, member: 16814"] True, but only after your turn is over is it true. For instance, at the start of your turn, you have not taken the attack action on your turn. If you move first, you still have not taken the attack action on your turn. If you then take the attack action, you've now taken the attack action on your turn and earned the bonus action. You're skipping to the end of the turn and making the assumption that an attack action was taken, and then jumping back to the beginning. IFF X, Y isn't future looking, it's a conditional statement that says if X is true, then Y is true. What you're doing is looking ahead and assuming X and then allowing Y. IFF X, Y does not entail looking towards the future. You can only check the validity of conditional statements in the present and past. If anything, a conditional statement is a model of what we assume the future to be, but you have to get there to check. You're making an assumption, which is no part of the conditional. Even if you read the Shield Master feat as "If you take the attack action at any time during your turn, you..." the above applies, because it's still a conditional that X must be true before Y. What you want is a statement that says, "If you plan to take the attack action on your turn, you get a bonus action and are now required to take the attack action during your turn." Yup. Good, so declarations of actions isn't part of this and we're only evaluating the conditional. Which means my above is on point. [/QUOTE]
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