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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7573869" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Exactly, so if you haven't gained it yet, how can you use it? You have to satisfy the condition (take the Attack action) before you gain the benefit.</p><p></p><p>Think of it like this:</p><p></p><p>If you take <em>money out of the ATM</em> ("the Attack action") today ("on your turn"), you can use a bonus action <em>to go to the bookstore to buy the book you wanted</em> ("to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield").</p><p></p><p>Without getting the money out of the ATM, you can't buy the book you wanted. (Please, no jokes about using your credit card or ordering it on-line.)</p><p></p><p>Without taking the Attack action, you have no bonus action to shove with.</p><p></p><p>As for the time-travel part, that is unnecessary. If you have reached the end of your turn without taking the Attack action, you never satisfied the conditions needed to gain the bonus action so you could not have used it, either.</p><p></p><p>On a personal note, I think JC's official ruling on this is silly. With TWF you can shove first with your attack and then if you have the Extra Attack feature, potentially make two attacks with advantage. You don't even need a feat to do this. There are many ways they could have worded Shield Master to avoid this issue and personally should have simple by removing the condition of attacking at all. The FEAT is what should give you the bonus shove action using your shield. Just make the first benefit of the feat this:</p><p></p><p>"You can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield."</p><p></p><p>Nice. Simple. Use it anytime during your turn you want so it can be offensive, defensive, or whatever. For instance, an Eldritch Knight could use the shove to push someone away and then cast a spell as their action.</p><p></p><p>This feature never needed to be tied into the Attack action to begin with...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7573869, member: 6987520"] Exactly, so if you haven't gained it yet, how can you use it? You have to satisfy the condition (take the Attack action) before you gain the benefit. Think of it like this: If you take [I]money out of the ATM[/I] ("the Attack action") today ("on your turn"), you can use a bonus action [I]to go to the bookstore to buy the book you wanted[/I] ("to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield"). Without getting the money out of the ATM, you can't buy the book you wanted. (Please, no jokes about using your credit card or ordering it on-line.) Without taking the Attack action, you have no bonus action to shove with. As for the time-travel part, that is unnecessary. If you have reached the end of your turn without taking the Attack action, you never satisfied the conditions needed to gain the bonus action so you could not have used it, either. On a personal note, I think JC's official ruling on this is silly. With TWF you can shove first with your attack and then if you have the Extra Attack feature, potentially make two attacks with advantage. You don't even need a feat to do this. There are many ways they could have worded Shield Master to avoid this issue and personally should have simple by removing the condition of attacking at all. The FEAT is what should give you the bonus shove action using your shield. Just make the first benefit of the feat this: "You can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield." Nice. Simple. Use it anytime during your turn you want so it can be offensive, defensive, or whatever. For instance, an Eldritch Knight could use the shove to push someone away and then cast a spell as their action. This feature never needed to be tied into the Attack action to begin with... [/QUOTE]
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