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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7573938" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Since you didn't ask anyone in particular, I'll take a whack at it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> This is my interpretation anyway...</p><p></p><p>Yes. Take the Attack action = making an attack roll (or at least attempting to) since that would constitute you choosing Attack action as your action for your turn. If you have Extra Attack and make an attack roll against a target, you gain the bonus action to Shove. However, you still cannot Shove until you complete the Extra attack because <em>IT</em> is part of the Attack action. With the exception of movement, which expressly is allowed between attacks, you must complete one action before you can begin another (reactions are another exception, but that is the nature of reactions). This is why the idea that the Attack action must be concluded before it can have been taken was stated.</p><p></p><p>In the case of Sanctuary, if you have no other target, you <em>lose</em> the attack or spell on the failed save, but the action WAS taken (even if foiled) because in order to roll the Wisdom save you must be using the Attack action to attack. If you have extra attack and want to use that on the warded caster, it would require another Wisdom save, because the text of Sanctuary is for each attack (not Attack action). After any Extra Attack is resolved (or lost on the failed save), you could still execute the Shove with Shield Master as a bonus action. However, since this is also an attack, it too would require a Wisdom save before you could execute it. This is an example of specific beating general.</p><p></p><p>Even if you failed all the Wisdom saves, you still took your actions (Attack and Bonus) because without you taking them, you never would have needed to make the saving throws. So, no, you could not take another action, you already took them.</p><p></p><p>I see a lot of debating this point, but it really isn't that hard to understand IMO. You might not want to accept the official ruling (our table certainly is not), and you can debate it to your heart's content, but it isn't going to change it for now.</p><p></p><p>Now, I'll leave it to someone else to take their turn at your post if they so desire. Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7573938, member: 6987520"] Since you didn't ask anyone in particular, I'll take a whack at it. :) This is my interpretation anyway... Yes. Take the Attack action = making an attack roll (or at least attempting to) since that would constitute you choosing Attack action as your action for your turn. If you have Extra Attack and make an attack roll against a target, you gain the bonus action to Shove. However, you still cannot Shove until you complete the Extra attack because [I]IT[/I] is part of the Attack action. With the exception of movement, which expressly is allowed between attacks, you must complete one action before you can begin another (reactions are another exception, but that is the nature of reactions). This is why the idea that the Attack action must be concluded before it can have been taken was stated. In the case of Sanctuary, if you have no other target, you [I]lose[/I] the attack or spell on the failed save, but the action WAS taken (even if foiled) because in order to roll the Wisdom save you must be using the Attack action to attack. If you have extra attack and want to use that on the warded caster, it would require another Wisdom save, because the text of Sanctuary is for each attack (not Attack action). After any Extra Attack is resolved (or lost on the failed save), you could still execute the Shove with Shield Master as a bonus action. However, since this is also an attack, it too would require a Wisdom save before you could execute it. This is an example of specific beating general. Even if you failed all the Wisdom saves, you still took your actions (Attack and Bonus) because without you taking them, you never would have needed to make the saving throws. So, no, you could not take another action, you already took them. I see a lot of debating this point, but it really isn't that hard to understand IMO. You might not want to accept the official ruling (our table certainly is not), and you can debate it to your heart's content, but it isn't going to change it for now. Now, I'll leave it to someone else to take their turn at your post if they so desire. Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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