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<blockquote data-quote="Asgorath" data-source="post: 7575243" data-attributes="member: 6921966"><p>Your interpretation is wrong, because the action is not separate from the attacks. The PHB says "With this action, you make one melee or ranged attack." If you disagree with this, please quote the PHB text that says the Attack action is separate from the attacks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No it doesn't, per the PHB text I just quoted above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Disengage action provides a temporary buff, much like the Shield spell. Once you have taken the action, your movement no longer provokes OAs. Nowhere in the PHB does it say the Disengage action lasts for the same duration as the effect it applies, in fact the PHB does not talk about action duration at all. Thus, the logical conclusion is that action duration isn't a thing and has no meaning or relevance.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It really doesn't prove this, though. Sanctuary simply means you either have to make your saving throw, or you fail to attack the target. This is very similar to the Cast a Spell action and Counterspell, if you lose your spell from Counterspell you still took the Cast a Spell action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The PHB says the Attack action is "with this action, you make one melee or ranged attack". The rules for making an attack list 3 steps which must be followed. There is nothing in the PHB about splitting an action and taking a bonus action in between these 3 steps. We shouldn't have to list out every single thing that you aren't allowed to do, we simply just do what the PHB says we can do. Nothing more, nothing less.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are actions that provide buffs that last for a duration. The length of the effect is explicitly listed in the action itself. The Attack action has no such language, and thus it does not work like those other actions (e.g. Disengage, Dodge).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Taking the Attack action is making the attack(s), per the text in the PHB.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to have latched onto the words of one spell and using this to prove your interpretation, but that has just meant you've drawn the wrong conclusion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's really not persuasive, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Sage Advice Compendium is very clear about how this feat is supposed to work. You can obviously play it however you like, but it's a real stretch to claim that JEC is simply wrong and that obscure words from other portions of the game radically change the action system.</p><p></p><p>Did we really learn anything new here? Did I change your mind? I doubt it, which is why I wasn't really planning on replying to your entire post again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asgorath, post: 7575243, member: 6921966"] Your interpretation is wrong, because the action is not separate from the attacks. The PHB says "With this action, you make one melee or ranged attack." If you disagree with this, please quote the PHB text that says the Attack action is separate from the attacks. No it doesn't, per the PHB text I just quoted above. The Disengage action provides a temporary buff, much like the Shield spell. Once you have taken the action, your movement no longer provokes OAs. Nowhere in the PHB does it say the Disengage action lasts for the same duration as the effect it applies, in fact the PHB does not talk about action duration at all. Thus, the logical conclusion is that action duration isn't a thing and has no meaning or relevance. It really doesn't prove this, though. Sanctuary simply means you either have to make your saving throw, or you fail to attack the target. This is very similar to the Cast a Spell action and Counterspell, if you lose your spell from Counterspell you still took the Cast a Spell action. The PHB says the Attack action is "with this action, you make one melee or ranged attack". The rules for making an attack list 3 steps which must be followed. There is nothing in the PHB about splitting an action and taking a bonus action in between these 3 steps. We shouldn't have to list out every single thing that you aren't allowed to do, we simply just do what the PHB says we can do. Nothing more, nothing less. There are actions that provide buffs that last for a duration. The length of the effect is explicitly listed in the action itself. The Attack action has no such language, and thus it does not work like those other actions (e.g. Disengage, Dodge). Taking the Attack action is making the attack(s), per the text in the PHB. You seem to have latched onto the words of one spell and using this to prove your interpretation, but that has just meant you've drawn the wrong conclusion. It's really not persuasive, though. The Sage Advice Compendium is very clear about how this feat is supposed to work. You can obviously play it however you like, but it's a real stretch to claim that JEC is simply wrong and that obscure words from other portions of the game radically change the action system. Did we really learn anything new here? Did I change your mind? I doubt it, which is why I wasn't really planning on replying to your entire post again. [/QUOTE]
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