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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7577162" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Then again, you may not, which leads to paradox since the condition required to gain the bonus action was that you take the Attack action on your turn.Again, the problem is you are employing a bonus action granted by a feature and didn't satisfy the requirements of the feat to gain the bonus action. That is breaking the rule of gaining bonus actions allowed by satisfying conditions to gain them.I never said it wasn't and that is immaterial to the argument.Accept that to gain the bonus action shove you must take the Action. I have shown numerous examples of how it leads to paradox if you use your bonus action to shove before you attack because you can be denied the attack later on.And if you look at the SA response, he states that allowing you to make the attack before casting the cantrip would probably not break anything. Clearly he felt it could break things if you allow the shove to precede the Attack action via Shield Master.And what if you can't? Then what? You have benefited from a bonus action granted by a feat and never met the requirements to gain said bonus action.Again, you are either not understanding that bonus actions require you to satisfy the conditions needed to have them or there are none. In this case, the requirement is the Attack action, if you never attack, you should NOT have gained the bonus action. You continue to believe you can use the bonus action first even though you could be denied your Attack action later on. If you want to ignore the requirements for Shield Master in situations when you have NO Attack action, that is up to you. Play on!Well, we disagree on that obviously. It is your opinion as to what was intended on how play was suppose to be, but obviously the lead game designer feels otherwise. Ignore him if you want.Sure, but if you use your Attack action and your attack granted by that action to attempt to shove, that is using the Attack action and allows the bonus action to Shove from Shield Master. But notice you are in fact using your Attack action before you gain the bonus action. But you can't use the bonus action shove first to attempt to shove unless it is preceded by the Attack action.LOL from everything you say you obviously do NOT understand the official ruling, whether you agree with it or not. However we agree, no amount of me explaining that to you will change your understanding if you refuse to change it. Perhaps face-to-face we would be more successful at meeting a mutual resolution, but it obvious though posts the only resolution is agreeing to disagree. Play on!</blockquote>

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