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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7579312" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Here's the easy answer, the full rules answer from the June, 2016 Sage Advice:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Does the “when” in the Eldritch Knight’s War Magic feature mean the bonus attack comes after you cast the cantrip, or can it come before?</strong> The intent is that the bonus attack can come before or after the cantrip. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action specifies when it must take place (PH, 189).</p><p>Clearly, the reasoning given applies to all bonus actions that don't have specified timing, and that he considers the war magic bonus attack to be one of these.</p><p></p><p>But what about the shield master shove? Doesn't it have a specified timing? Let's compare the first bullet of Shield Master with War Magic and see if there's some difference.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Shield Master</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>War Magic</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Beginning at 7th level, when you use your action to cast a cantrip, you can make one weapon attack as a bonus action.</p><p></p><p>The language here is fairly parallel. If/when you take/use [your] action, you can use/make a bonus action. If the war magic bonus attack doesn't have a timing specification, then neither does the shield master shove.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7579312, member: 6787503"] Here's the easy answer, the full rules answer from the June, 2016 Sage Advice: [INDENT][B]Does the “when” in the Eldritch Knight’s War Magic feature mean the bonus attack comes after you cast the cantrip, or can it come before?[/B] The intent is that the bonus attack can come before or after the cantrip. You choose when to take a bonus action during your turn, unless the bonus action specifies when it must take place (PH, 189).[/INDENT] Clearly, the reasoning given applies to all bonus actions that don't have specified timing, and that he considers the war magic bonus attack to be one of these. But what about the shield master shove? Doesn't it have a specified timing? Let's compare the first bullet of Shield Master with War Magic and see if there's some difference. [INDENT][B]Shield Master[/B] If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet of you with your shield.[/INDENT] [INDENT][B]War Magic[/B] Beginning at 7th level, when you use your action to cast a cantrip, you can make one weapon attack as a bonus action.[/INDENT] The language here is fairly parallel. If/when you take/use [your] action, you can use/make a bonus action. If the war magic bonus attack doesn't have a timing specification, then neither does the shield master shove. [/QUOTE]
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