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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 9649494" data-attributes="member: 6779196">I mean, it wasn’t defined as a condition, but this was basically how it worked prior to the 2024 revision. Being invisible made it so a creature was effectively blinded when attempting to target you - they had disadvantage on attack rolls and perception checks targeting you and you had advantage on attack rolls against them. But, being invisible did not, on its own, prevent a creature that couldn’t see you from knowing your location. It was, essentially, an “unseen” condition that did not inherently imply being “undetected.” Actually making a creature lose track of you required a successful Stealth check, which being unseen (either via magical invisibility or more mundane means such as cover or concealment) was a prerequisite to attempt. Granted, the text that collectively indicated this was scattered across about four different sections of the 2014 PHB. But, the rules were there. For some inscrutable reason, the architects of the 2024 rules decided that rather than simply cleaning up the presentation of these rules while leaving their functionality intact, what the game really needed was for the concept of being hidden to get completely subsumed by the invisible condition.</blockquote>