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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8591896" data-attributes="member: 63508">=You can grab invocations as a feat too. And half the mechanic of warlock subclasses is expamsion of the spell list.The PHB ranger was all about its spells and subclasses. The ranger class features were niche and few DMs/players knew how to use them right. Having profiecincy in Stealth and Nature and hunter's mark was half of being a ranger untilthe new subclasses and class features came out. Luckily it wasn't easy to get that combination so rangers still felt unique.Crawford said they see feats a &quot;class features not tied to class&quot; and &quot;classless class features&quot;. However they just added featsthat given class features as feats: invocations, metamagic, manuevers, fighting styles.&nbsp; Again it isn't a problem when you only got a feat at level 4 and 8. By level 12, most campaigns have ended. And you still have to contended with ASI. But now its combined with a feat at level one and stronger feats in a feat chain.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">An &quot;extra&quot; feat</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Earlier feats</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Stronger feats in a chain</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Feats that give you spells from other classes</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Feats that give you class features of other classes</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">An overgenerous multiclassing system</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">WOTC's &quot;feats and mulitclassing are totally optional wink wink&quot; attitude</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">WOTC's&nbsp; &quot;5e is a toolkit even though we opted not to design nor present it as one&quot; attitude</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">WOTC's promotion of MTG setting where PCs are even stronger and get more stuff as normal and not the exception to the rule like Dark Sun</li>
</ul>It's natural to see all of this and worry just a bit.I didn't say this. I said the classes are bleeding and blobbing together now. And without care, it could be worse. However no one is openly convoying any calls for caution. &quot;Don't worry. It's fun. It'll be fine&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 8591896, member: 63508"] = You can grab invocations as a feat too. And half the mechanic of warlock subclasses is expamsion of the spell list. The PHB ranger was all about its spells and subclasses. The ranger class features were niche and few DMs/players knew how to use them right. Having profiecincy in Stealth and Nature and hunter's mark was half of being a ranger untilthe new subclasses and class features came out. Luckily it wasn't easy to get that combination so rangers still felt unique. Crawford said they see feats a "class features not tied to class" and "classless class features". However they just added featsthat given class features as feats: invocations, metamagic, manuevers, fighting styles. Again it isn't a problem when you only got a feat at level 4 and 8. By level 12, most campaigns have ended. And you still have to contended with ASI. But now its combined with a feat at level one and stronger feats in a feat chain. [LIST] [*]An "extra" feat [*]Earlier feats [*]Stronger feats in a chain [*]Feats that give you spells from other classes [*]Feats that give you class features of other classes [*]An overgenerous multiclassing system [*]WOTC's "feats and mulitclassing are totally optional wink wink" attitude [*]WOTC's "5e is a toolkit even though we opted not to design nor present it as one" attitude [*]WOTC's promotion of MTG setting where PCs are even stronger and get more stuff as normal and not the exception to the rule like Dark Sun [/LIST] It's natural to see all of this and worry just a bit. I didn't say this. I said the classes are bleeding and blobbing together now. And without care, it could be worse. However no one is openly convoying any calls for caution. "Don't worry. It's fun. It'll be fine" [/QUOTE]

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