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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Virago" data-source="post: 48303" data-attributes="member: 2045">Re: the Sage's response.As dcollins said, we already knew this.  A bit strange to see people acting like this is a new piece of information.Artoomis said:Let's try and not repeat that whole debate here, shall we?But then you go ahead and do it anyway, but of course without any acknowledgement of another side or why your side might be wrong...I came to the conclusion that 5-foot steps are not tied to actions in any way whatsoever, but are tied to rounds."In any way whatsoever" goes way too far. The fact that they are talked about in the action descriptions and show up on the action tables points more towards the reading that they have lots and lots to do with actions.An example of something actually tied to rounds and not actions would be the taking of AoOs.My reading is that 5' steps is essentially a movement action.  Before you start quoting, when the glossary says it "does not count as a move in combat," what it is referring to is how it is movement but does consume ("count as") a movement action, so you can do MEA+step+attack.  It's not trying to vault them to some special status as non-moves.  The fact that it mentions a way they are not like normal movement points to the idea that in most other ways, they are.And obviously  haste grants/allows/permits/unlocks extra movement in a round as well as extra actions, making some of the uses of the word "round" in the PHB either obviously incorrect or open to question.Which, by the way, seems to be the actual main issue.It's clear (to me, at least) that the rules that state which actions allow a 5-foot move are merely clarifications of the general rule...Now you are getting into a more interpretive argument, where you are seeking to understand what the rules as written are trying to express.  In this case, I don't think you can reject the idea that the PHB is not very good in the haste/round area.  In other words, I hope you're not trying to turn your technical, literal argument into "what the rules really mean to say is ... "</blockquote>

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