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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 48451" data-attributes="member: 111">Virago:Well, I admit I am weak.  I got sucked in because I saw a slightly different spin to the discussion - a look at whether 5-foot steps are tied to actions or to a round.As for not acknowledging the other side - I've done that plenty of times in the other thread, and, as I've said before, you are certainly free to "house rule" as you like.  The "other side" seems to me to have most of their argument based on how they think the rules should work, as opposed to what is stated in the rules.  I'm only trying to look at the rules themselves to see how they work within the context of the core rules only.  Within that context I think I've made my case pretty well and I've yet to see a really good counter-argument that does not at least want to assume that a round does not equal a round when hasted.  The haste spell itself gives you an extra partial action - within the context of a round.In fact, by the rules themselves, a haste spell does not let you finish a spell with a casting time of 1 round on your turn - that's a Sage interpretation.  The language itself would directly support using your partial action first, then casting your spell, thus  preserving your extra action by using it first.  I don't have a problem with using the extra partial action to finish your spell.  In fact, I think it dovetails nicely with the rule on using partial actions to begin a full-round action.   I'm just pointing out how the rules are written.I'm not saying a 5-foot step shouldn't be allowed with haste - it just so happens that the rules say otherwise.I'm not sure I've made my point well, so let me restate:The rules say  only one 5-foot step is allowed per round.This in no way means that you shouldn't allow an extra 5-foot step for haste, if you think that's appropriate.  It ups the power of haste just a bit from the rules as written.Finally, let's face it, the rules as written did not get as much review as we might like to think they did.  You may think that haste should give an extra 5-foot step per round - if that's the case, go for it.  But a strict rules-based argument won't fly to make your case.I'm pretty sure that even Spikey (who, I think, really likes the extra 5-foot step from haste) would agree with me on that last point.</blockquote>

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