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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 48908" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Be accurate and honest now Artoomis.</p><p></p><p>The MEA rule is the only one that states "only one 5-foot step per round". Hence, as far as the RULES go, MEA is a special case. And, it is easy to understand why. The designers apparently (since they explicitly prevented it) did not want a character to take two MEAs as their action and get 2 5-foot steps within that single action (or even within a round as long as you are discussing MEAs).</p><p></p><p>Your statement "The rules say only one 5-foot step is allowed per round." is an extrapolation or non-literal interpretation of the rules with regard to anything other than MEAs.</p><p></p><p>For example, the Full Round Action one 5-foot step rule is per action, not per round.</p><p></p><p>"The only movement you can take DURING a full-round action is a 5-foot step before, during, or after the action."</p><p></p><p>Ditto for the Partial Action rule.</p><p></p><p>"Typically, you may take a 5-foot step as PART of a partial action."</p><p></p><p>It clearly in each of these sections states that you can do your action and take a 5-foot step as part of it. The only explicit exception to this is if you do movement for your full or partial action respectively.</p><p></p><p>So, according to the LITERAL rules, a hasted character can do a full round attack and take a 5-foot step and then attack with a partial action and take another 5-foot step.</p><p></p><p>But, he could not do a full round attack and take a 5-foot step and then open a door and take another 5-foot step.</p><p></p><p>In the second example, the MEA rule prevents him from taking a second 5-foot step.</p><p></p><p>Plus, the AoO 5-foot step rules have no bearing on how many times you can take a 5-foot step. They only have bearing on how many times you can receive the benefit of not being AoOed when taking 5-foot steps in a round.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nowhere in the rules does it state that movement within a separate action within the round will prevent the 5-foot move allowance within a full round or partial action. Until you can find such a rule, you are extrapolating based on the MEA rule.</p><p></p><p>You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either you take a literal interpretation of the rules and use it in which case our side wins for everything except MEAs, or you do not, in which case you are extrapolating and not REALLY following the rules. You are following what you perceive to be the intent of the rules.</p><p></p><p>You keep claiming that the rules are on your side, but except for MEAs, you have yet to prove it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 48908, member: 2011"] Be accurate and honest now Artoomis. The MEA rule is the only one that states "only one 5-foot step per round". Hence, as far as the RULES go, MEA is a special case. And, it is easy to understand why. The designers apparently (since they explicitly prevented it) did not want a character to take two MEAs as their action and get 2 5-foot steps within that single action (or even within a round as long as you are discussing MEAs). Your statement "The rules say only one 5-foot step is allowed per round." is an extrapolation or non-literal interpretation of the rules with regard to anything other than MEAs. For example, the Full Round Action one 5-foot step rule is per action, not per round. "The only movement you can take DURING a full-round action is a 5-foot step before, during, or after the action." Ditto for the Partial Action rule. "Typically, you may take a 5-foot step as PART of a partial action." It clearly in each of these sections states that you can do your action and take a 5-foot step as part of it. The only explicit exception to this is if you do movement for your full or partial action respectively. So, according to the LITERAL rules, a hasted character can do a full round attack and take a 5-foot step and then attack with a partial action and take another 5-foot step. But, he could not do a full round attack and take a 5-foot step and then open a door and take another 5-foot step. In the second example, the MEA rule prevents him from taking a second 5-foot step. Plus, the AoO 5-foot step rules have no bearing on how many times you can take a 5-foot step. They only have bearing on how many times you can receive the benefit of not being AoOed when taking 5-foot steps in a round. Nowhere in the rules does it state that movement within a separate action within the round will prevent the 5-foot move allowance within a full round or partial action. Until you can find such a rule, you are extrapolating based on the MEA rule. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either you take a literal interpretation of the rules and use it in which case our side wins for everything except MEAs, or you do not, in which case you are extrapolating and not REALLY following the rules. You are following what you perceive to be the intent of the rules. You keep claiming that the rules are on your side, but except for MEAs, you have yet to prove it. [/QUOTE]
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