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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 49953" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>I'm really enjoying this now - we're finally down to the nitty gritty, I think.</p><p></p><p>I'm only tackling your first point, KD, because when it's shown to be in error, the rest falls down like a house of cards.</p><p></p><p>1. Let's assume that you are right, and you can take 2 "5-foot steps" in one round with haste.</p><p></p><p>2. Per pg. 117 neither one avoids an AoO because you've moved more than 5 feet in a round. Right?</p><p></p><p>3. Recall that the definition of a "5-foot move" is that it does not provoke an AoO from movement.</p><p></p><p>4. Whoops - that means those two "5-foot moves" could not be "5-foot moves" because they don't avoid an AoO from movement. Ttherefore they must be regular movement (or something other than 5-foot moves, anyway).</p><p></p><p>5. If you only moved one 5-foot move, though, the pg 117 rule would be satisfied, and you could avoid the AoO - thus meeting the definition of a 5-foot move.</p><p></p><p>6. The net result of all this is you can only way you can satisfy both the page 117 rule and still meet the definition of a 5-foot step is to take only one in a round.</p><p></p><p>7. If you can only take one 5-foot step in a round, there is no conflict with any other rule. The Partial Action rule (which you seem to hang you hat on) only says you get one "typically." If I have the rule right, then it seems pretty clear that the effects of a haste spell are atypical - which makes sense. The rule do not seem to account for a haste exception.</p><p></p><p>If you can logically make an argument for 2 5-foot steps in a round that both meets the definition of 5-foot steps <strong>and </strong> does not violate the pg. 177 rule, I'd be convinced. I haven't seen anything like that yet - I look forward to it - I'd love to be wrong on this one, it would help my character.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 49953, member: 111"] I'm really enjoying this now - we're finally down to the nitty gritty, I think. I'm only tackling your first point, KD, because when it's shown to be in error, the rest falls down like a house of cards. 1. Let's assume that you are right, and you can take 2 "5-foot steps" in one round with haste. 2. Per pg. 117 neither one avoids an AoO because you've moved more than 5 feet in a round. Right? 3. Recall that the definition of a "5-foot move" is that it does not provoke an AoO from movement. 4. Whoops - that means those two "5-foot moves" could not be "5-foot moves" because they don't avoid an AoO from movement. Ttherefore they must be regular movement (or something other than 5-foot moves, anyway). 5. If you only moved one 5-foot move, though, the pg 117 rule would be satisfied, and you could avoid the AoO - thus meeting the definition of a 5-foot move. 6. The net result of all this is you can only way you can satisfy both the page 117 rule and still meet the definition of a 5-foot step is to take only one in a round. 7. If you can only take one 5-foot step in a round, there is no conflict with any other rule. The Partial Action rule (which you seem to hang you hat on) only says you get one "typically." If I have the rule right, then it seems pretty clear that the effects of a haste spell are atypical - which makes sense. The rule do not seem to account for a haste exception. If you can logically make an argument for 2 5-foot steps in a round that both meets the definition of 5-foot steps [b]and [/b] does not violate the pg. 177 rule, I'd be convinced. I haven't seen anything like that yet - I look forward to it - I'd love to be wrong on this one, it would help my character. [/QUOTE]
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