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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 352936" data-attributes="member: 2358">Re: Cool!Actually, Saiyans use the normal ECL rules.  Well, not the actual normal ECL rules, but the ones designed by UK that kinda equate CR and ECL for many things, as I have long advocated.The real problem with them is that you need all three core books, Deities & Demigods, AND the Epic Level Handbook to run a Saiyan.That said, they are indeed ECL +15, meaning a Saiyan PC with 1 characters level is considered a Level 16 character with the equipment and XP to match.  Basically, at Level 1, a Saiyan begins with 120,000 XP, needing 136,000 XP for the next level.  Just go up the normal progression chart from there.It can only be taken once, and all Saiyans start with it by default.  I only made it a feat because making it an innate ability would have bumped the ECL up by a wee bit much, and they'd still have the feats to burn on top of that, which I felt left them a bit overpowered for the level I was shooting for, Level 15.Also, this feat is meant to be in a gaming world that complies with my revised chain of Toughness feats.  I will post them right away, I think I have finally made them useful without breaking them.Saiyans simply can't be translated directly "as is".  Simply put, they're way too powerful.  I lowered the power level a bit, but did so without nerfing them, leaving a balanced, albeit quite powerful, Dungeons & Dragons compliant Saiyan that can play nice with at least Epic Level characters. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />For all of the above, BEWARD.  The chain of Toughness feats and Saiyans are for use by experienced DMs only, and only in "high-power" and "high-fantasy" campaigns.  You bring in Saiyans, bring them in at Epic Levels, not before.  The minimum gaming level here is 16.  It's not something you can throw into a campaign at Level 1 or even Level 6.</blockquote>

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