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<blockquote data-quote="LoneWolf23" data-source="post: 357585" data-attributes="member: 643">Any of the Saiyans?&nbsp; I doubt it.&nbsp; Your judgement of the Saiyan Race is based on Goku and Vegita, who're actually very exceptional members of the Saiyan race.&nbsp; All other Saiyans are relatively weaker in comparaison.&nbsp;&nbsp; Take Nappa or one of the Saiyan warriors from the DBZ movie that features Goku's father.&nbsp; While they were all very good fighters, none of them comes close to Goku's level of competance.&nbsp; Goku was a Saiyan with about 10 or 12 levels of Monk added.This whole &quot;Pure of Heart&quot; thing sounds too nebulous to use as an actual measuring stick for D20 character creation.&nbsp; Let's face it, there aren't any &quot;purity of heart&quot; stats in D&amp;D.&nbsp; But the &quot;Powerful Enough&quot; thing is easily measurable by stats like Basic Attack Bonuses, Feats like Toughness or other abilities marking raw physical power.&nbsp; But if you really want to have &quot;purity of heart&quot; matter, just make a high Will bonus important.Also, Gohan, Goten and Trunks are half-human, Half-Saiyan crossbreeds, not pure Saiyans.&nbsp; But they're still exceptional warriors who achieved the level of Super-Saiyan.&nbsp; So this ability isn't limited to pure-bred Saiyan, but to anyone with Saiyan blood who meets the very high character requirments.Hmm...&nbsp;&nbsp; I think with that Divine Ranks, Divine Salient Abilities and Divine Feats taken into account, the Deities in Deities and Demigods are very powerful.&nbsp; And Kami isn't Divine Rank 0.&nbsp; He's not even Immortal.&nbsp; Hell, none of DBZ's vaunted Deities, right up to the Supreme Kai, are immortal.&nbsp; They're more like High Powered Mortals.Real D&amp;D Deities aren't just high-powered characters.&nbsp; The Divine Ranks come with Divine Abilities, like Divine Immunities, &quot;Instant Successes&quot;, Divine Salient Abilities like Divine Blast or Life or Gift of Life.&nbsp; Supreme Kai doesn't seem to rank as a D&amp;D style Deity.&nbsp; Debura seemed about his level, and Buu turned him into a Cookie.&nbsp; So Debura did not have Divine Immunity to Transmutation, which means he does not have Divine Rank.&nbsp; And yet Supreme Kai seemed afraid of Debura as if the demon was his equal or superior.&nbsp; So there goes the &quot;greater then Divine Rank 20&quot; theory.I think you need to look over the Deities and Demigods book again, and take a look at the details this time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LoneWolf23, post: 357585, member: 643"] Any of the Saiyans? I doubt it. Your judgement of the Saiyan Race is based on Goku and Vegita, who're actually very [B]exceptional[/B] members of the Saiyan race. All other Saiyans are relatively weaker in comparaison. Take Nappa or one of the Saiyan warriors from the DBZ movie that features Goku's father. While they were all very good fighters, none of them comes close to Goku's level of competance. Goku was a Saiyan with about 10 or 12 levels of Monk added. This whole "Pure of Heart" thing sounds too nebulous to use as an actual measuring stick for D20 character creation. Let's face it, there aren't any "purity of heart" stats in D&D. But the "Powerful Enough" thing is easily measurable by stats like Basic Attack Bonuses, Feats like Toughness or other abilities marking raw physical power. But if you really want to have "purity of heart" matter, just make a high Will bonus important. Also, Gohan, Goten and Trunks are half-human, Half-Saiyan crossbreeds, not pure Saiyans. But they're still exceptional warriors who achieved the level of Super-Saiyan. So this ability isn't limited to pure-bred Saiyan, but to anyone with Saiyan blood who meets the very high character requirments. Hmm... I think with that Divine Ranks, Divine Salient Abilities and Divine Feats taken into account, the Deities in Deities and Demigods are very powerful. And Kami isn't Divine Rank 0. He's not even Immortal. Hell, [B]none[/B] of DBZ's vaunted Deities, right up to the Supreme Kai, are immortal. They're more like High Powered Mortals. Real D&D Deities aren't just high-powered characters. The Divine Ranks come with Divine Abilities, like Divine Immunities, "Instant Successes", Divine Salient Abilities like Divine Blast or Life or Gift of Life. Supreme Kai doesn't seem to rank as a D&D style Deity. Debura seemed about his level, and Buu turned him into a Cookie. So Debura did not have Divine Immunity to Transmutation, which means he does not have Divine Rank. And yet Supreme Kai seemed afraid of Debura as if the demon was his equal or superior. So there goes the "greater then Divine Rank 20" theory. I think you need to look over the Deities and Demigods book again, and take a look at the details this time. [/QUOTE]

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