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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 359144" data-attributes="member: 2358">I think perhaps you should pay more attention to things in Dragonball, and also listen to what I'm saying.  There is an exception to every rule, and the transmutation rule is one such rule.  Majin Buu had a power that could even effect deities, plain and simple.As for the deities, you must remember that Supreme Kai was second-tier, NOT top-tier.  It's like this:Kami (Kami-sama): DvR 0King Kai (Kaio-sama): DvR 5Grand Kai (Dai-Kaio): DvR 10Supreme Kai (Kaioshin): DvR 15Old Kai (Dai-Kaioshin): DvR 20Simple, see?  Majin Buu killed three of the four total Dai-Kaioshins, not getting the last one because the last one was sealed in the Z-Sword.  That puts Majin Buu as more powerful than DvR 20, and makes Super Saiyan 3 more powerful than DvR 20 as well.  Why do my numbers not reflect that?  GOKU WAS EXCEPTIONAL, EVEN AS SUPER SAIYAN 3!  Also is the fact that my numbers need so many Levels that even with those weaker SDA powers as Ki powers, they could still beat a Greater Deity.The ONLY other house rule you'd have to make is to give a save to all the "instant death" attacks, and dumb down Annihilating Strike.  Thankfully, UK has done this for us.As for Half-Saiyans, that will be a template.  Half-Saiyans do not have the Power Adaptation ability, nor do they have the same requirements for going Super Saiyan/2/3/4.  Half-Saiyans can go Super Saiyan 1 more easily, but have the requirements of Super Saiyan 1 for regular Saiyans to go Super Saiyan 2 (meaning the pure of heart requirements, which is subject to DM discretion, maybe getting thrown out of my design, and the emotional trauma state).  All that, however, explains why Goten and Trunks never go Super Saiyan 2.  Also, Super Saiyan 2 ability is obviously NOT a reuirement for going Super Saiyan 3 because Gotenks does it within being able to go Super Saiyan 2.</blockquote>

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