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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LoneWolf23" data-source="post: 359400" data-attributes="member: 643">I do pay attention to things in Dragonball...  But you just can't drop a rule just because it contradicts your little theory about Majin Buu's powers.  If a Deity is Immune to Transmutations, it's Immune, and no amount of saying "No no, this is a special case" can reverse that.Prove it.  What are Supreme Kai or Old Kai's Divine Salient abilities, then?   How could Old Kai be captured inside a Sword in spite of his Divine Immunity to Imprisonment (which all Greater Deities have)?  Why didn't Supreme Kai just create an Avatar of himself to safely investigate Buu's prison?You don't even have stats for Buu, so you can't say he's powerful to the Greater Gods of Deities and Demigods.  You still haven't proven to me that Buu could defeat Boccob, Gruumsh or Re-Horakhty in combat.Let's just take a Greater Deity like Re-Horakhty for exemple.  His Divine Immunities include Ability Damage, Ability Drain, Acid, Cold, Death Effects, Disease, Disintegration, Electricity, Energy Drain, Mind-affecting effects, paralysis, poison, sleep, stunning, transmutation, imprisonment, and banishment.He has the Divine Salient Ability of Alter Reality, allowing him to duplicate any 9th level or lower spell as a standard action.  That means he can just touch Majin Buu and entomb the creature in a state of suspended animation with a touch attack.  No Savings Throw to resist.  He also has Annihilating Strike, although this one allows a Save. His Battlesense makes him unable to surprise or catch flat-footed, so the old "Oh, I'm actually behind you but you didn't notice yet" DBZ Trick doesn't work on him.  He can avoid 69% of damage with his Divine Dodge Ability.  His Divine Monk Ability allows him to deflect any ranged attacks, including your usual "Kamehamehas".He can keep Buu out of striking range with a Divine Storm attack, which would both expel and damage the Chaotic Evil Buu.And I haven't even touched spells, weapons and other bonuses...If Majin Buu can effortlessly defeat all of that, then congratulations, you've just discovered a Divine Rank 100 Being.  Which means that giving Buu (and Goku, by that account) stats is an exercice in Futility, since he's unbeatable by anything short of DM fiat.Otherwise, I prefer to consider that the "deities" of the DBZ Universe are actually very under-powered, compared to D&D's Deities and Demigods.</blockquote>

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