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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Daelin_Farseer" data-source="post: 371482" data-attributes="member: 7501">I cannot imagine what would lead anyone to believe that a Carnifex, or even a Hive Tyrant for that matter, could somehow be equivalent to or better than a Great [any color] Wyrm.There are severe limitations in granularity when dealing with the GW 10-point scale for attributes versus the wider scales used in D&D, not the least of which is that stats in GW games are specificially and directly opposed by other stats (S vs T, for example).  It should be readily apparent to all of us that Str and Con don't directly counter each other, even if it is merely because you only get the bonus HP applied once...when you level..you get the Str bonus applied each and every time you attack.Putting all of that together suggests to me that just because the good ol' Carnifex has a 9-10 S score and your average GW fantasy dragon (which are usually unimpressive beasts nowhere to scale with D&D dragons) has an average T of 6-ish (total guess on my part, I admit) the carnifex is the superior of any dragon.IMHO, the earlier poster, putting the Carnifex and HT at around CR 18, would be closer to correct.  It should take either tremendous firepower (which it does), or a character/group of near epic proportions to stand up to a single 'fex.</blockquote>