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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 5595206" data-attributes="member: 29398">Well, were I to do a(nother) major overhaul of my system, about the only 4e developments I think I'd give a long look to would be:- movement effects in combat.  4e overdoes it, and there needs to be occasional risk involved for the person doing the moving and more frequent risk for the person being moved*; but if kept to a dull roar and only within reach (no moving someone who is 30 feet away from you) there's something to be said for it.* - an example might be trying to push someone off a cliff; if you succeed, over they go, but if you fail there's a clear risk you've gone over the side yourself.- marking in combat.  Again, 4e overdoes it; but the idea of forcing someone to fight you rather than anyone else makes sense for leader-type classes like Paladin and Cavalier.  I'd only allow it to work on other warriors.- 4e has some yoink-able magic items I've not seen anywhere else.At first thought that's pretty much it, if anything else leaps to mind I'll chuck it in later.Lan-"would that rename Holy Avenger to Magic Marker?"-efan</blockquote>