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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5778896" data-attributes="member: 957">I am very much cool with this line of thinking.However, I find the idea that every fighter and every wizard progress in this skill at an equal pace very unsatisfactory.I'm fine with that being extremely typical.&nbsp; I'm not fine with it making the leap to truism.That sounds great.&nbsp; Until you look at the details.&nbsp; Our L27 Storm Giant and L27 Demon just happen to come out to the same number (+/-2)&nbsp; And if we made a quickling into a fey lord and advanced him up to L27 the HIS AC will just happen to be the same as well.&nbsp; He couldn't be much more different than a storm giant from a narrative point of view.&nbsp; And certainly it would be trivial to come up with a rationalization for why his AC, by completely different means, is exactly the same as the giants.&nbsp; But from a creativity point of view it completely sucks that it is predestined to end up that way.I'm ok with a magic item having an intrinsic CL.&nbsp; I'm not ok with the same thing applying to every aspect across the board of a living creature.And, yes, HD in 3E most certainly do smack of that same issue and I had complaints about that before I ever heard of 4E.&nbsp; But as bad as it is in 3E, it doesn't come close to 4E.&nbsp; And also, 3E isn't built on presumptions that &quot;the math will work&quot; so it doesn't strike to the core of the system when you go off track.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5778896, member: 957"] I am very much cool with this line of thinking. However, I find the idea that every fighter and every wizard progress in this skill at an equal pace very unsatisfactory. I'm fine with that being extremely typical. I'm not fine with it making the leap to truism. That sounds great. Until you look at the details. Our L27 Storm Giant and L27 Demon just happen to come out to the same number (+/-2) And if we made a quickling into a fey lord and advanced him up to L27 the HIS AC will just happen to be the same as well. He couldn't be much more different than a storm giant from a narrative point of view. And certainly it would be trivial to come up with a rationalization for why his AC, by completely different means, is exactly the same as the giants. But from a creativity point of view it completely sucks that it is predestined to end up that way. I'm ok with a magic item having an intrinsic CL. I'm not ok with the same thing applying to every aspect across the board of a living creature. And, yes, HD in 3E most certainly do smack of that same issue and I had complaints about that before I ever heard of 4E. But as bad as it is in 3E, it doesn't come close to 4E. And also, 3E isn't built on presumptions that "the math will work" so it doesn't strike to the core of the system when you go off track. [/QUOTE]

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