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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 4259737" data-attributes="member: 5868">So for those lucky souls who received the books and have cracked the code on charcter building and multiclassing ... how would you now go about building the iconic warrior/mage in 4E, given the currently available core rules (ie, no house rules or &quot;wait until the FR book comes out)?&nbsp; (Substitute Fighter/wizard, eldritch knight, spell sword, battlemancer, swordmage, mageblade, or whatever other term you prefer besides that g-word.)For example, how would a fighter (multiclass wizard) compare to a wizard (multiclass fighter), to a ranger (multiclass wizard), to say a warlord with ritual casting .. etc.Edit: For clarity, here's the concept definition that I think of when I thikn &quot;warrior-mage&quot;: [sblock]A character who combines the skills and abilities of both warrior and mage, able to fill the iconic roles of each, albeit neither as good a warrior as a pure fighter, nor as good a mage as a pure wizard. Flexibility and utility are inherent to the concept.Key abilities to me would be:- Proficient with a number of weapons, including traditional warrior weapons such as swords, bows, or polearms- Proficient in at least light-to-medium armor, and able to use a shield. Ideally, able to cast spells in armor- Sufficient toughness to be able to enter melee, if not tough enough to be the party's sole melee combatant- Access to a mix of physical and knowledge/arcane skill information- Able to cast spells in combat that can aid in defense, attack a single target, or have area offensive effects- Able to cast utility spells outside of combat that can assist the party- Be able to demonstrate the flavor of the above from very early -- ideally first level. None of this &quot;I'm an arcane warrior, but I'm still working on the arcane part&quot; to suddenly &quot;Hey look, spells!&quot;. This can't be a &quot;build&quot; that only works at 20th level ... the concept needs to be coherent for the majority of the character's career.[/sblock]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 4259737, member: 5868"] So for those lucky souls who received the books and have cracked the code on charcter building and multiclassing ... how would you now go about building the iconic warrior/mage in 4E, given the currently available core rules (ie, no house rules or "wait until the FR book comes out)? (Substitute Fighter/wizard, eldritch knight, spell sword, battlemancer, swordmage, mageblade, or whatever other term you prefer besides that g-word.) For example, how would a fighter (multiclass wizard) compare to a wizard (multiclass fighter), to a ranger (multiclass wizard), to say a warlord with ritual casting .. etc. Edit: For clarity, here's the concept definition that I think of when I thikn "warrior-mage": [sblock] A character who combines the skills and abilities of both warrior and mage, able to fill the iconic roles of each, albeit neither as good a warrior as a pure fighter, nor as good a mage as a pure wizard. Flexibility and utility are inherent to the concept. Key abilities to me would be: - Proficient with a number of weapons, including traditional warrior weapons such as swords, bows, or polearms - Proficient in at least light-to-medium armor, and able to use a shield. Ideally, able to cast spells in armor - Sufficient toughness to be able to enter melee, if not tough enough to be the party's sole melee combatant - Access to a mix of physical and knowledge/arcane skill information - Able to cast spells in combat that can aid in defense, attack a single target, or have area offensive effects - Able to cast utility spells outside of combat that can assist the party - Be able to demonstrate the flavor of the above from very early -- ideally first level. None of this "I'm an arcane warrior, but I'm still working on the arcane part" to suddenly "Hey look, spells!". This can't be a "build" that only works at 20th level ... the concept needs to be coherent for the majority of the character's career.[/sblock] [/QUOTE]

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