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Message: <blockquote data-quote="outsider" data-source="post: 4262415" data-attributes="member: 54690">To be honest, I don't find the whole fighter/mage combination to be useful enough to make a big deal of anymore.  This isn't because of the new multiclassing rules, it's because of the changes to classes in general.Magic is different now.  You've got at will spells, so you never have to worry about running out of spells and having to go in and clobber things with your staff.  They even have an at will "close"(doesn't provoke opportunity attacks) spell, so if they somehow manage to get stuck in melee range, they STILL don't have to resort to clobbering people with their staff.  The mage has no need to melee, and thus no need to dilute himself by becoming a fighter as well.  If he wants better defenses, he can just spend feats on toughness and armor proficiencies.Magic is also now balanced with martial.  That means that the fighter doesn't neccessarily gain much from multiclassing to wizard that he couldn't gain elsewhere from a class that would be more synergistic.  If you want to give your fighter some ranged capability, ranger powers are just as good as mage powers, and they'll be alot more synergistic with a fighter than wizard powers will be(using dex, which fighters can get some use out of, compared to int).  Ranger can also provide some area effect attacks.I guess I just don't see the need for the gish anymore.</blockquote>