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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9645694" data-attributes="member: 6684958">1. I do see this as a big point.&nbsp; A lot of players hate the idea that the DM gets to tell them what to do.&nbsp; So the &quot;no DM tells me what to do&quot;.2. This....is more dependent on things.&nbsp; Jerk players that hate the DM can ruin any game, and there is a HUGE underbase of jerk players that join games only to ruin them.&nbsp; In any normal game, it is really mostly always the fault of a poor DM.&nbsp; 3. This sounds nice, but it is so vague.&nbsp; The players should care about the game....or just go home.4. This is hard to do for a lot of groups.&nbsp; I know the Mythical Group will just be amazing players that run through the game.....but that is a myth.&nbsp; Real players do anything except that.&nbsp; 5. I love this one in theory.&nbsp; And for my good players it works out great.&nbsp; For the bulk of gamers, it just does not work.6. Not really sure what each person considers such a goal.&nbsp; In a LOT of such cases there are better games.&nbsp; 7. As a 'natural' type DM, I can say most players hate this....but then I use the common sense type.&nbsp; Context matters.I do most of the above in my games.....but I doubt it would be the way you like.For example, if you say &quot;My character will stay in town and run his potion shop&quot;, my answer would be &quot;well, it was nice gaming with you&quot; and show you the door.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9645694, member: 6684958"] 1. I do see this as a big point. A lot of players hate the idea that the DM gets to tell them what to do. So the "no DM tells me what to do". 2. This....is more dependent on things. Jerk players that hate the DM can ruin any game, and there is a HUGE underbase of jerk players that join games only to ruin them. In any normal game, it is really mostly always the fault of a poor DM. 3. This sounds nice, but it is so vague. The players should care about the game....or just go home. 4. This is hard to do for a lot of groups. I know the Mythical Group will just be amazing players that run through the game.....but that is a myth. Real players do anything except that. 5. I love this one in theory. And for my good players it works out great. For the bulk of gamers, it just does not work. 6. Not really sure what each person considers such a goal. In a LOT of such cases there are better games. 7. As a 'natural' type DM, I can say most players hate this....but then I use the common sense type. Context matters. I do most of the above in my games.....but I doubt it would be the way you like. For example, if you say "My character will stay in town and run his potion shop", my answer would be "well, it was nice gaming with you" and show you the door. [/QUOTE]

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