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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8713289" data-attributes="member: 67338">yes by defualt in D&amp;D (every edition) the DM provides the adventure is the defualt and the Players providing there own is optional additional. Now you CAN play otherwise, but in no way is that required or the normal to discuss. if you WANT to discuss a player only plot campaign I would love to hear it (most likely in it's own thread) but trying to say sandboxes are not sandboxes is BS. I did not ignore it I said very plainly that the default assumption of D*D is that it IS A REQUIREMENT... it is part of the DM role.&nbsp; You can choose to alter it. I just don't think that talking like altering that is any different then having a 'crit hit auto kills target, and nat 1 you always fail and break/drop something' is doing any good in this thread.&nbsp; When you change something major (like the DM introducing the plots and not the PCs are the ONLY source of plot) you have gone outside the bounds of most experences. thank you... Now try to be less condescending. really... so if you start a game (you being YOU REYNARD) as a DM and me and my 4 best friends sit down to play, and you what, start us in a bar and nothing happens? no strange or intresting NPCs, no events, no hooks... how long does this sleepy little town have NOTHING happen before you have something happen?&nbsp; does going 1 night of us BSing and getting to know each other enough, or would you stretch it... cause given infinte time we would msot like talk about our back stories, ask a few things if our characters would know... then get REAL board.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8713289, member: 67338"] yes by defualt in D&D (every edition) the DM provides the adventure is the defualt and the Players providing there own is optional additional. Now you CAN play otherwise, but in no way is that required or the normal to discuss. if you WANT to discuss a player only plot campaign I would love to hear it (most likely in it's own thread) but trying to say sandboxes are not sandboxes is BS. I did not ignore it I said very plainly that the default assumption of D*D is that it IS A REQUIREMENT... it is part of the DM role. You can choose to alter it. I just don't think that talking like altering that is any different then having a 'crit hit auto kills target, and nat 1 you always fail and break/drop something' is doing any good in this thread. When you change something major (like the DM introducing the plots and not the PCs are the ONLY source of plot) you have gone outside the bounds of most experences. thank you... Now try to be less condescending. really... so if you start a game (you being YOU REYNARD) as a DM and me and my 4 best friends sit down to play, and you what, start us in a bar and nothing happens? no strange or intresting NPCs, no events, no hooks... how long does this sleepy little town have NOTHING happen before you have something happen? does going 1 night of us BSing and getting to know each other enough, or would you stretch it... cause given infinte time we would msot like talk about our back stories, ask a few things if our characters would know... then get REAL board. [/QUOTE]

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