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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Windjammer" data-source="post: 5121862" data-attributes="member: 60075">This is exactly how I rationalize the surge as well in <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/273397-paizo-re-invents-hexcrawling.html" target="_blank">the thread next door.</a>Don't forget that Paizo as a company has been doing for years what WotC' Rodney Thompson & company have finally turned to this month: solicit customer input directly on internet forums.While I'm bound to be prejudiced in calling it a 'singularly useful' discussion, I say: watch the reactions we got from Erik Mona and James Jacobs in <a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/general/archives/paizosAdventurePathsVariationsOnATheme&page=1" target="_blank">this discussion</a> I kicked off on Paizo last May. Kingmaker was into development by then, but I like to think that the collective responses in that thread helped to put certain things into even starker perspective. It will also help to put a definite image to the people I called "a small if vocal minority in Paizo's fanbase" in the aforementioned Enworld thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Other than Paizo, I haven't been following the 'fad' development on sandboxes, including stuff produced by the OSR. I have one favourite author, Rob Conley, who produces edition-neutral awesome sandboxes in his "Points of Light" books. I loosely follow his work and posting, and draw on that, but beyond that I'm totally uninformed.In that regard, I'd appreciate it if the aforementioned "Ben Robbins' posts about his group's West Marches game" could get linked here. Cheers!Edit. My own theory, which I just remembered by re-reading the Paizo discussion is this: Hex-crawling brings wilderness adventures to the game table. 4E has been extremely poor at implementing this aspect. The wilderness skill challenge is fun maybe once or twice, but gets old soon - even when we factor in other exciting wilderness skill challenges (like the boat raft skill challenge in 'Journey through  the the Silver Caves' which made it into DMG 2 - that's just brilliant all round). But on the whole, 4E especially with regard to official modules has been very very poor to cover the excitement of overland travel. I'm a huge fan of the Revenge of the Giants adventure, but still have a main beef with it: other than bargaining a gith' captain into steering the PCs on his vessel, the adventure delegates travel to cut-scenes, to cue the PCs to the next dungeon/combat locale. That's just down right boring. So the James Maliesz. quote I bring up in the aforementioned Paizo thread (linkified above) holds doubly so for 4th edition. It's ironic that 4E products don't cater to hexcrawling when the rules set could handle it so exceedingly well.So, it's not just Paizo fans who rejoice at Kingmaker - Kingmaker also draws enthusiastic responses from 4E fans who too think that this scratches an itch long overlooked by their favourite game. Cf. also the reactions I got when I put up my 4E FR hex map at Enworld (just bumped earlier today, as I uploaded new PDFs).</blockquote>

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