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<blockquote data-quote="coyote6" data-source="post: 5123511" data-attributes="member: 1225"><p>My primary point is that one term is commonly meant negatively, and the other isn't. I can't think of a more neutral term for "railroad" or more negative term for "sandbox" at the moment. Any ideas?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, I wasn't trying to say <em>you</em> were starting a pointless argument with this thread; this thread was originally just about "why all the sandbox discussion", was it not? </p><p></p><p>My point was that no matter how many disclaimers one applies, I think the terms being used to describe the continuum will lead to pointless arguing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, it was a lovely day.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Eh, I just interpreted that bit more broadly than you meant it, I think. I took it as being of broad application -- you plot a campaign to a point on the SB....RR line based on what happens at the table. And, based solely on action at the table, I think there are plenty of campaigns that you couldn't really tell whether they were complete rail jobs or total sandboxes where the PCs were so deep in the sand that the GM was making it all up as they go along.</p><p></p><p>(I know I've ran games where I successfully guessed everything the players did -- but I've been gaming with them for years and years, so it wasn't that hard. Then there are the instances where the players came from left field and headed for outer Freedonia, and I just had to roll with it. I don't think the players or an observer could've told which was which without peaking at my notes or reading my mind.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="coyote6, post: 5123511, member: 1225"] My primary point is that one term is commonly meant negatively, and the other isn't. I can't think of a more neutral term for "railroad" or more negative term for "sandbox" at the moment. Any ideas? Sorry, I wasn't trying to say [I]you[/I] were starting a pointless argument with this thread; this thread was originally just about "why all the sandbox discussion", was it not? My point was that no matter how many disclaimers one applies, I think the terms being used to describe the continuum will lead to pointless arguing. Yes, it was a lovely day. Eh, I just interpreted that bit more broadly than you meant it, I think. I took it as being of broad application -- you plot a campaign to a point on the SB....RR line based on what happens at the table. And, based solely on action at the table, I think there are plenty of campaigns that you couldn't really tell whether they were complete rail jobs or total sandboxes where the PCs were so deep in the sand that the GM was making it all up as they go along. (I know I've ran games where I successfully guessed everything the players did -- but I've been gaming with them for years and years, so it wasn't that hard. Then there are the instances where the players came from left field and headed for outer Freedonia, and I just had to roll with it. I don't think the players or an observer could've told which was which without peaking at my notes or reading my mind.) [/QUOTE]
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