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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sammael" data-source="post: 5131071" data-attributes="member: 4475">So, what exactly do you get out of the game? I'm really curious, I'm not faking it.In fact, I think the game you described needs no GM at all. The GM is superfluous. It'll work like a charm, just as it worked when we didn't have a GM back when we played cops and robbers or cowboys and indians in 1st grade. I'm really confused. Feel free to label me dense. My groups include several PhDs, and, believe me, when presented with a sandbox, those guys literally freeze. Last time I gave some of them charte blanche to do whatever they wanted, they asked me "so, where's the story?" I told them - "look, I gave you a description of the world, introduced you to the NPCs, go ahead - make one up - follow your gut insticts." What was their reply? That making stories up was my job. Odd little world. Perhaps I should have held a gun to their heads and said "make up your own goddamn story, bastards?" Maybe the sandbox police will come to arrest me the next time I actually give my players what they want. Or maybe... just maybe... not all players who dislike sandboxing are "spoiled 5 year olds."I never make decisions for my players. But if I don't present them with choices and explain what the choices are... well, they do nothing. Even the ones that are usually really good at thinking outside of the box. Sometimes, they'll come up with more choices, which I didn't anticipate, and I gladly let them choose from those, as long as they're aware of the game-world consequences. But that's apparently not good enough.</blockquote>

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