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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5132564" data-attributes="member: 80487">Catsclaw227, you repeated and seconded Umbran's claim that How that even makes sense to you if you take the terms as interchangeable is perhaps even more a puzzle than how you figure that I should take them as interchangeable (any more than Umbran so presented them).You elaborated upon the claim at such length as to seem unaware that you were probably defending a position so truly unbelievable that Umbran himself was just being intentionally provocative.When informed (because you inquired) that I don't call players role-playing (as the PHB tells them to expect), and DMs doing what the DMG instructs them to do, "just collaborative storytelling" -- but, in fact, call it "playing the game in accordance with how the game was designed to be played" -- you responded withYou went on to cite other, related, gaps in your knowledge, mixed with irrelevant references to "various ways people have played", along with your "disagreement" with something that you made up by arbitrarily putting together words from different sentences.Taken altogether, your rhetoric sure looks like an attempt to argue (by irrational appeals to utterly moot sentiments) that there is not a way the game was designed to be played, therefore I am wrong when I claim to be playing in accordance with any such design.Let's try this one more time. When the designer writes (just for instance)do you think that he is lying about his intent?</blockquote>

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