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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6653430" data-attributes="member: 12731">From a 3e standpoint, the 5e magic item creation and economy rules are a cruel joke and completely unusable. That doesn't mean the 5E approach is objectively wrong or can't be used.It does mean 5e is completely unsupportive of your preferred playing style; which to me, is a significant omission. There's no need quarreling whose playstyle is better, and the long threads on "magic shoppes are evil" are merely exhausting. The constructive path forward would be to recognize that the players who wish to play without a functional magic item economy have everything they need, while the players who like such an economy don't.So when the conversion guides finally come out, I want an updated d20-style pricing and creation subsystem to top the list for the 3e-to-5e document. Finally there's a group of posters who actively want to deny us these rules merely because they can't resist it once it's there, but those negative fun-killers can go xxxx themselves.</blockquote>