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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8252480" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I am not ignoring the rules. I took the rules for buying spellcasting services and said "I'm the seller now". That is literally following the rules. Yes, pit fighting is hard and it doesn't pay well. It can also be done by anyone. Yes, stealing money from someone is very hard to do without getting caught, and you get away with a nice chunk of change. Neither of those is selling magic. And since they have different rules for making jewels, stealing jewels, and fighting for a pouch of coin, I don't see why they wouldn't have different rules for selling magic.They don't? Cause there is no reason they shouldn't. Many nobles do dangerous things like hunting, sparring, and messing with alchemy. No reason why I can't find a few dozen who get hurt and are willing to pay a cleric. I mean, by your logic, Doctors must be entirely out of business, because there aren't more than 120 injured people in a city of hundreds of thousands in a month. Sure, most people don't have it happen in a village or a town... but a city? Most people allow them to find a buyer in a city. And, most people don't have the players go on a mini-adventure to do it either. Usually it isn't even a roll.That was literally my premise yes. During a Month of Downtime a player could go and make X amount of money by doing Y. Since this is clearly a lot of money, there is no reason to inflate the price of items to prevent "clever" players from using the item to make lots of money. The item I used to highlight this philosophy is the Decanter of Endless Water, which the PDF listed at 135,000 gp on the premise : [ATTACH=full]135859[/ATTACH]By the way, Alchemy Jug: 6,000. Sphere of Annihilation: 15,000. Ring of Telekinesis: 80,000So, clearly the idea of traveling to the desert to sell water, regardless of all other possible options, regardless of campaign, ect, was so compelling to the author that they made the Decanter the second most expensive item in the entire game. Yet, I am unreasonable for assuming a month with nothing better to do. Something I know happens in plenty of campaigns? (I have one campaign that has taken two 3 months downtimes)See, but the thing is, you immediately started shutting down the idea. You didn't even pause long enough to see I was talking about a month of downtime to accuse me of ruining the game for the rest of the party by forcing them to sit on their laurels and not go adventuring. You even gave it a cutesy name "Booboos and Bedsheets". But why? What did I do that was so utterly terrible except take the expected prices from the PHB, say "I'm going to be selling instead of buying" and do some math for how much that would be. If I said I was only making 100 copper would you have railed against the idea like this? No. So, it must be the amount of money, but again, why is that in anyway a problem? Why is it that there is a pushback that if a character can make significant money, that is a problem, because they won't go adventuring? This honestly reads to me like people have no idea how to sell their players on an adventure without making it about making money. Ironman and Batman must never go anywhere and get into any adventures, because they make plenty of money with multi-national mega-corporations, right? Except they do. Making money, even serious money, should not be a threat to the adventure, but people think it is, and suddenly we need to make sure that the rules for running a business make zero sense, crafting rules are nerfed into the ground, and we need to carefully regulated how many spell slots players can sell per day based on "logic", because if players can make money, then money can't be a motivator for adventure.</blockquote>

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