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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8253273" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Took me a minute to realize this was directed at me. Even if you aren't going to break the quote up, it does help to at least hit the button.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Never claimed I could. I claimed that I could sell 4 longswords without anyone questioning the supply and demand that allows me to sell four high-quality martial weapons.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>None of this addresses my point. I never once talked about getting 15 gold for selling the longswords. I simply said I could sell them with no questions coming up about supply and demand. </p><p></p><p>I could probably even sell longswords I made for 15 gold, without too many people raising an eyebrow.</p><p></p><p>Yet, I go to sell spells, and suddenly we have to question the socio-economic stability of the region. Why?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This describes a modern business. That is not how businesses have always been run.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why is it stupid to assume I sell a thing to an end-user for the same price I would buy it for as an end-user? </p><p></p><p>The entire reason you sell gear at 1/2 value is because it is assumed the shopkeep is going to sell it to an adventurer for full value. But, the person being affected by a spell isn't going to sell that spell to someone else. </p><p></p><p>Now, maybe you are trying to say that there must, MUST be costs involved in offering my healing services. However, I point you to an obvious answer to that. As a Cleric, I probably have some sort of relationship with the Church. They are probably doing that work. Oh, and as an adventurer and all that, I probably have contacts in some sort of position of government, even if it is a secretary, who can easily point me to a way to heal people. </p><p></p><p>There is nothing "stupid" or "simplistic" or "unrealistic" about what I am talking about. And yet, I have greatly offended people it seems by even daring to think of doing such heinous acts as... use my resources.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And here again is the baseless accusation that completely ignores my true point. Again. Because I will now ask for a FOURTH time. </p><p></p><p>Why are you assuming that I am ruining the adventure by having a business? How is it that my actions of trying to make money and create a business are warping the game to such an extent that the game cannot possibly function under the weight of my choice? </p><p></p><p>Because again and again and again you and Max and others have accused me of wanting to ruin the game, of forcing the other players to simply sit and twiddle their thumbs as I selfishly make money all for myself... as though anything of any value that isn't gained from the steaming corpse of an enemy is evil and corrupt in the game of dungeons and dragons. </p><p></p><p>And no one wants to actually address the point. Why is money so important to your game that the very concept of making 1,000 gp in a month of downtime causes accusations to fly about that player trying to ruin the game and no longer play Dungeons and Dragons but some other game? No one has even bothered to answer it, they just seem to assume it is true and procceed to tell me how wrong and terrible I am for trying to do something other than march bravely out of the town to kill foes for gold.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8253273, member: 6801228"] Took me a minute to realize this was directed at me. Even if you aren't going to break the quote up, it does help to at least hit the button. Never claimed I could. I claimed that I could sell 4 longswords without anyone questioning the supply and demand that allows me to sell four high-quality martial weapons. None of this addresses my point. I never once talked about getting 15 gold for selling the longswords. I simply said I could sell them with no questions coming up about supply and demand. I could probably even sell longswords I made for 15 gold, without too many people raising an eyebrow. Yet, I go to sell spells, and suddenly we have to question the socio-economic stability of the region. Why? This describes a modern business. That is not how businesses have always been run. Why is it stupid to assume I sell a thing to an end-user for the same price I would buy it for as an end-user? The entire reason you sell gear at 1/2 value is because it is assumed the shopkeep is going to sell it to an adventurer for full value. But, the person being affected by a spell isn't going to sell that spell to someone else. Now, maybe you are trying to say that there must, MUST be costs involved in offering my healing services. However, I point you to an obvious answer to that. As a Cleric, I probably have some sort of relationship with the Church. They are probably doing that work. Oh, and as an adventurer and all that, I probably have contacts in some sort of position of government, even if it is a secretary, who can easily point me to a way to heal people. There is nothing "stupid" or "simplistic" or "unrealistic" about what I am talking about. And yet, I have greatly offended people it seems by even daring to think of doing such heinous acts as... use my resources. And here again is the baseless accusation that completely ignores my true point. Again. Because I will now ask for a FOURTH time. Why are you assuming that I am ruining the adventure by having a business? How is it that my actions of trying to make money and create a business are warping the game to such an extent that the game cannot possibly function under the weight of my choice? Because again and again and again you and Max and others have accused me of wanting to ruin the game, of forcing the other players to simply sit and twiddle their thumbs as I selfishly make money all for myself... as though anything of any value that isn't gained from the steaming corpse of an enemy is evil and corrupt in the game of dungeons and dragons. And no one wants to actually address the point. Why is money so important to your game that the very concept of making 1,000 gp in a month of downtime causes accusations to fly about that player trying to ruin the game and no longer play Dungeons and Dragons but some other game? No one has even bothered to answer it, they just seem to assume it is true and procceed to tell me how wrong and terrible I am for trying to do something other than march bravely out of the town to kill foes for gold. [/QUOTE]
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