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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8254166" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>This whole discussion is about other people. This whole forum is devoted to commenting on what other people do. Saying you don't care is a bit disingenuous. </p><p></p><p>And they are comparable in exactly the way I was comparing them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, randomize it, make the numbers smaller. It can't just work, we can't just do something that gets money. </p><p></p><p>Why? </p><p></p><p>I'm probably not the only cleric, but that doesn't mean I can't get hired on to work in exactly this way. Maybe the normal cleric whose spot I'm taking wanted to have a month of vacation. Maybe they got pregnant. There are plenty of reasons this could work... but we can't just let it work. It has to be uncertain, difficult, a pain in the neck and cause more work for you and for me. </p><p></p><p>Why? What purpose are we serving by causing this to be difficult? Just realism? Or is there some other reason that we consistently shut down players making money in any way that isn't directly tied to adventuring?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh, your accusations that do nothing except muddy the waters showed up. No surprise, you do it all the time. Can't possibly have a conversation with you without me being accused of something. </p><p></p><p>Just curious, are you familiar with the Fallacy Fallacy? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I forgot, you never pay attention to anything someone other than you said, so you will never respond to something like that. </p><p></p><p>However, you've debated with me long enough to know that I do reference the entire discussion, not just you. Also, supply and demand? That's a real world phenomena. You brought that up.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not letting go of MY CORE ARGUMENT</p><p></p><p>Do you actually bother to read what I post? Or do you just assume that you know my position and respond to that? Because you keep trying to make it like I was obsessing over a detail, like that was my entire argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or, maybe, they didn't. Maybe Downtime is a minor detail that you latched onto and refuse to see that the actual discussion is about something else. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"If your means aren't a goal then you have failed from the start, after all, the methods you use are goals unto themselves" </p><p></p><p>Somehow... I don't think that makes any coherent sense. Methods and means are not goals. And, this doesn't matter at all. You posited that a major goal of my character must be to make money, and I pointed out that that is not a guarantee, could be doing all this for a large variety of goals. Sure, making money is a part of the plan, because money is a medium for value. But that doesn't make it a goal. </p><p></p><p>Just like using ink isn't the goal of writing a story.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8254166, member: 6801228"] This whole discussion is about other people. This whole forum is devoted to commenting on what other people do. Saying you don't care is a bit disingenuous. And they are comparable in exactly the way I was comparing them. Right, randomize it, make the numbers smaller. It can't just work, we can't just do something that gets money. Why? I'm probably not the only cleric, but that doesn't mean I can't get hired on to work in exactly this way. Maybe the normal cleric whose spot I'm taking wanted to have a month of vacation. Maybe they got pregnant. There are plenty of reasons this could work... but we can't just let it work. It has to be uncertain, difficult, a pain in the neck and cause more work for you and for me. Why? What purpose are we serving by causing this to be difficult? Just realism? Or is there some other reason that we consistently shut down players making money in any way that isn't directly tied to adventuring? Ahh, your accusations that do nothing except muddy the waters showed up. No surprise, you do it all the time. Can't possibly have a conversation with you without me being accused of something. Just curious, are you familiar with the Fallacy Fallacy? I forgot, you never pay attention to anything someone other than you said, so you will never respond to something like that. However, you've debated with me long enough to know that I do reference the entire discussion, not just you. Also, supply and demand? That's a real world phenomena. You brought that up. I'm not letting go of MY CORE ARGUMENT Do you actually bother to read what I post? Or do you just assume that you know my position and respond to that? Because you keep trying to make it like I was obsessing over a detail, like that was my entire argument. Or, maybe, they didn't. Maybe Downtime is a minor detail that you latched onto and refuse to see that the actual discussion is about something else. "If your means aren't a goal then you have failed from the start, after all, the methods you use are goals unto themselves" Somehow... I don't think that makes any coherent sense. Methods and means are not goals. And, this doesn't matter at all. You posited that a major goal of my character must be to make money, and I pointed out that that is not a guarantee, could be doing all this for a large variety of goals. Sure, making money is a part of the plan, because money is a medium for value. But that doesn't make it a goal. Just like using ink isn't the goal of writing a story. [/QUOTE]
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