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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8261183" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>Another fun example of mass archer power. So I had a campaign plan to do a large city under attack from a Adult Red dragon, Smaug style. Of course it was going to be the heroes doing the work (or so I thought) but I was curious what a decent city guard can do.</p><p></p><p>So take 200 crappy archers. No dex bonus, just the +2 base bonus. Aka +2 attack, 1d8 damage....bottom of the totem pole. Put them on your city wall as the dragon flies in (aka they know its coming).</p><p></p><p>So how well do they do? Even at disadvantage, they start firing at 600 feet, and do 36 damage a round (disadvantage really lowers your overall damage!). The dragon moves 200 ft if you use its legendary action for wings. This means that by the time the dragon has even gotten into the fight, its already taken 108, nearly half of its health.</p><p></p><p>But now that its close, the archers are much more accurate, and will on average do another 225 damage, more than enough to completely kill the dragon. But lets assume dragon fear has taken out like half of them (seems pretty reasonable the dragon does a fly by to scare a whole bunch of people). Even then, the archers do 112.5..... the dragon has now taken about ~240 damage and is nearly dead.</p><p></p><p>Now maybe the dragon gets in a good breath and kills a bunch of people, maybe he lasts 2 more rounds...not likely, but possible. But that's it, the CR17 Smaug is flat out annihilated by 200 men that have used a bow a little, but aren't particularly good with it. 5e's bounded accuracy is really really true, high level opponents can be absolutely flattened by schlubs in the right circumstances.</p><p></p><p>suffice it to say for the campaign, I had the city taken by "surprise" so that the guards didn't steal the PCs glory<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8261183, member: 5889"] Another fun example of mass archer power. So I had a campaign plan to do a large city under attack from a Adult Red dragon, Smaug style. Of course it was going to be the heroes doing the work (or so I thought) but I was curious what a decent city guard can do. So take 200 crappy archers. No dex bonus, just the +2 base bonus. Aka +2 attack, 1d8 damage....bottom of the totem pole. Put them on your city wall as the dragon flies in (aka they know its coming). So how well do they do? Even at disadvantage, they start firing at 600 feet, and do 36 damage a round (disadvantage really lowers your overall damage!). The dragon moves 200 ft if you use its legendary action for wings. This means that by the time the dragon has even gotten into the fight, its already taken 108, nearly half of its health. But now that its close, the archers are much more accurate, and will on average do another 225 damage, more than enough to completely kill the dragon. But lets assume dragon fear has taken out like half of them (seems pretty reasonable the dragon does a fly by to scare a whole bunch of people). Even then, the archers do 112.5..... the dragon has now taken about ~240 damage and is nearly dead. Now maybe the dragon gets in a good breath and kills a bunch of people, maybe he lasts 2 more rounds...not likely, but possible. But that's it, the CR17 Smaug is flat out annihilated by 200 men that have used a bow a little, but aren't particularly good with it. 5e's bounded accuracy is really really true, high level opponents can be absolutely flattened by schlubs in the right circumstances. suffice it to say for the campaign, I had the city taken by "surprise" so that the guards didn't steal the PCs glory:) [/QUOTE]
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