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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8262067" data-attributes="member: 23751">That's just flat out false.  You may not agree with the evidence, but there is evidence.He has me blocked.  I can't see what he does or does not mention.  It was coincidence.Same response as above.  There is evidence, even if you don't agree with it.My opinion is based on game facts called rules.You're conflating people who like to fight with simple mercenaries.  And Discworld?  Really?  A humorist, albeit a brilliant one who is worth reading every book of his, is not a shining example. LOLAgain, lots of conflation going on.  It's like claiming that Norse berserkers are an example of why mercenaries who just want to get paid and not risk their arses, love battle.Still not mercenaries.Nope.  There was no personal attack, nor any sort of slippery slope.  Nothing I said implied things would get worse and worse if you did something.If you hire them as a scout, then they are going to scout.  Good like trying to find 30 scouts who all want to stop scouting and get into a fight to the death for 6 gold a day.Are you honestly saying that all types of NPCs are listed in that very, very small list of NPC jobs?Have the DM make it.  Oh.  Nevermind.  I found the mercenary stat block.  It's ridiculously high, though, so I wouldn't use it as a DM and I wouldn't recommend you do it, either.  The price would skyrocket from where I've been saying.  It's in the MM under the listing veteran."Veterans are professional fighters that take up arms for pay or to protect something they believe in or value. Their ranks include soldiers retired from long service and warriors who never served anyone but themselves."They are 9 hit dice and a full CR 3.  That's going to be some serious spensive to hire 30 CR 3 dudes with 9 hit dice.Think about that for a moment.  Stronger than guards, people paid to actually fight.  As sell as bandits and tribal warriors.  That's elite.Yes, seriously.  Adventurers are much better than common mercenaries or even scouts once they get a few levels under their belts.Lords don't suffer numerous cuts and bone breaks like gladiators do.  Massive medical costs and good treatment would combine to make gladiator upkeep for more expensive than some lord paying to have some good food and some entertainment.Countries don't "hire" armies in the same manner as adventurers.  You get drafted or you volunteer because you are poor as dirt and you suffer whatever they will pay, which is far less than you are worth.Played 30 of them at a time did you?  I mean, talk about a massive False Equivalence.  One dude with a bow in a tight dungeon corridor is the same as 30 dudes with bows in a tight dungeon corridor!!  Edit: Sorry, 34-36 dudes.  I forgot the party there.Further edit: If  you want to continue this conversation, please PM me with your answer.  We can finish there. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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