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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4947618" data-attributes="member: 43019">Still mostly quiet, but a quick snapshot of level 20 if anyone cared:I'm 'looking for' 80 damage as my magic number for 'presents enough of a threat to be worth fighting', pretty happy with anything in the 80-120 range, multiplied appropriately by role.[code]WITHOUT RESISTANCEMonster&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Damage&nbsp; &nbsp; Goal%Fell Troll&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 55.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -65.7%Nightwalker&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 230.0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +43.7%Soulspike Devourer&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 140.5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -12.2%Elder Blue Dragon&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 568.2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +42.1%Black Slaad&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 175.2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +119.0%Fire Archon Ash Disciple&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 130.6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +63.3%Ice Archon Frostshaper&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 56.2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -29.8%Ice Devil (Gelugon)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 104.1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +30.1%Rimefire Griffon&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 55.3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -30.9%Rot Harbinger&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 90.3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +12.8%WITH RESIST 10Monster&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Damage&nbsp; &nbsp; Goal%Fell Troll&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 55.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -65.7%Nightwalker&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 69.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -56.9%Soulspike Devourer&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 110.5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -31.0%Elder Blue Dragon&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 324.9&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -18.8%Black Slaad&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 175.2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +119.0%Fire Archon Ash Disciple&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 39.7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -50.3%Ice Archon Frostshaper&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 21.7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -72.8%Ice Devil (Gelugon)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 21.7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -72.9%Rimefire Griffon&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 33.3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -58.3%Rot Harbinger&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 49.0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -38.8%[/code]So, resistance has a... bleak... effect on the threat of creatures at this level. The Ice Archon and Devil for example are reduced to the point where you'd face an entire group of them and barely notice the damage at all. There are things that could help here - like all of those 'ice spear, ice javelin' etc attacks could deal weapon damage and not _just_ cold damage, but all the same you have to expect people to have a fair smattering of resistances.Without resistance, damage is actually not that bad. Still some outliers... like the Fell Troll is just one big bag of hp that's boooring, and the Rimefire Griffon appears to be a failure to execute in concept. The slaad could probably be toned down a bit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />P.S. Yes, I'm ignoring the 'And the orbizard stuns the solo for the entire fight' concept. That can be dealt with party-side <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="keterys, post: 4947618, member: 43019"] Still mostly quiet, but a quick snapshot of level 20 if anyone cared: I'm 'looking for' 80 damage as my magic number for 'presents enough of a threat to be worth fighting', pretty happy with anything in the 80-120 range, multiplied appropriately by role. [code] WITHOUT RESISTANCE Monster Damage Goal% Fell Troll 55.0 -65.7% Nightwalker 230.0 +43.7% Soulspike Devourer 140.5 -12.2% Elder Blue Dragon 568.2 +42.1% Black Slaad 175.2 +119.0% Fire Archon Ash Disciple 130.6 +63.3% Ice Archon Frostshaper 56.2 -29.8% Ice Devil (Gelugon) 104.1 +30.1% Rimefire Griffon 55.3 -30.9% Rot Harbinger 90.3 +12.8% WITH RESIST 10 Monster Damage Goal% Fell Troll 55.0 -65.7% Nightwalker 69.0 -56.9% Soulspike Devourer 110.5 -31.0% Elder Blue Dragon 324.9 -18.8% Black Slaad 175.2 +119.0% Fire Archon Ash Disciple 39.7 -50.3% Ice Archon Frostshaper 21.7 -72.8% Ice Devil (Gelugon) 21.7 -72.9% Rimefire Griffon 33.3 -58.3% Rot Harbinger 49.0 -38.8%[/code]So, resistance has a... bleak... effect on the threat of creatures at this level. The Ice Archon and Devil for example are reduced to the point where you'd face an entire group of them and barely notice the damage at all. There are things that could help here - like all of those 'ice spear, ice javelin' etc attacks could deal weapon damage and not _just_ cold damage, but all the same you have to expect people to have a fair smattering of resistances. Without resistance, damage is actually not that bad. Still some outliers... like the Fell Troll is just one big bag of hp that's boooring, and the Rimefire Griffon appears to be a failure to execute in concept. The slaad could probably be toned down a bit :) P.S. Yes, I'm ignoring the 'And the orbizard stuns the solo for the entire fight' concept. That can be dealt with party-side :) [/QUOTE]

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