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<blockquote data-quote="tiluvias99" data-source="post: 3229958" data-attributes="member: 48067"><p>[sblock=OOC]Same here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> You find something I messed up with Irthos, please let me know.Eh, doesn't really matter that the extra cost is due to difficulty in enhancement or from the material itself, it still costs more.Personally, I'd rather not get into this debate... it's been done time after time. I don't like to argfue it, and I'm not good at it.[sblock=regardless]The arguement is essentially that, at high levels, +2 strength means a few more points of damage (which doesn't mean that much), while +2 to a casting stat (any of them) can up the DC, which means an extra 5% chance that something will die <em>instantly</em> from save-or-dies. That's why there are so few +0 LA races with +2 to a casting stat, because, mechanically, they will almost always be better in nearly every way (at casting) than a race that doesn't get that bonus, while a race with a bonus to a melee based stat is normally about equal in power to most other races, even if they don't get such a bonus. For example, from a power perspective, the three best races for fighters could be humans, dwarves, and half-orcs, while the best choice (from an optimization perspective) for a wizard is unarguably the grey elf, simply because it gets +2 int.</p><p>Regardless, LA has to be assigned for the strongest possible case, so that it can't be abused by min-maxers. For example, a race that gets +10 int and -10 strength would have equivalent stats. However, it would deserve an LA of at least +2 because of its potential abuse for the wizard, even though as a fighter it would probably be around -2 LA. When assigning LA, you have put the number high enough so that it can't be abused- you have to think of the worst possible case.[/sblock][/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tiluvias99, post: 3229958, member: 48067"] [sblock=OOC]Same here :D You find something I messed up with Irthos, please let me know.Eh, doesn't really matter that the extra cost is due to difficulty in enhancement or from the material itself, it still costs more.Personally, I'd rather not get into this debate... it's been done time after time. I don't like to argfue it, and I'm not good at it.[sblock=regardless]The arguement is essentially that, at high levels, +2 strength means a few more points of damage (which doesn't mean that much), while +2 to a casting stat (any of them) can up the DC, which means an extra 5% chance that something will die [i]instantly[/i] from save-or-dies. That's why there are so few +0 LA races with +2 to a casting stat, because, mechanically, they will almost always be better in nearly every way (at casting) than a race that doesn't get that bonus, while a race with a bonus to a melee based stat is normally about equal in power to most other races, even if they don't get such a bonus. For example, from a power perspective, the three best races for fighters could be humans, dwarves, and half-orcs, while the best choice (from an optimization perspective) for a wizard is unarguably the grey elf, simply because it gets +2 int. Regardless, LA has to be assigned for the strongest possible case, so that it can't be abused by min-maxers. For example, a race that gets +10 int and -10 strength would have equivalent stats. However, it would deserve an LA of at least +2 because of its potential abuse for the wizard, even though as a fighter it would probably be around -2 LA. When assigning LA, you have put the number high enough so that it can't be abused- you have to think of the worst possible case.[/sblock][/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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