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<blockquote data-quote="Samurai" data-source="post: 313281" data-attributes="member: 3850">I wanted to thank Jeff for adding the Feats power, which is a simple and elegant solution to the problem!&nbsp; But where is my Tri-stat version? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; People seemed to have skipped right over your post and kept on debating...&nbsp; Personally, I think the &quot;problem&quot; of not being D&amp;Dish enough only comes up for those who are unwilling to use/learn any other game system.&nbsp; Those of us who regularly use 20+ different systems find the minor changes easy to understand.&nbsp; But I have said this before... I think in many ways, all the variations and alternate 3rd party rules for d20 will end up choking it.&nbsp; There are a half-dozen different ways to do ANYTHING, even just for D&amp;D!&nbsp; From mass combat to ship rules to spells/spellcasting to PrCs, races, and feats, NO ONE can use all of it at once, and more and more things directly conflict with one another.&nbsp; If a bunch of people show up at a con to play a D&amp;D game, and each player brings a 5th level character made with rules/feats/PrCs/spells from the core books plus 2d6 random 3rd party books, the characters probably won't be fully compatable!&nbsp; If just 1 company (WotC) were making official D&amp;D books, there would be far less product, but at least it would be consistant and compatable and not give 6 different rules for the same thing.&nbsp; As it is, everyone has to ask &quot;Can I use this spell, this feat, this PrC, etc from these books?&quot;, to which the GM probably says &quot;I don't know, I don't have those books, I happen to have/use other 3rd party books.&quot;&nbsp; In many cases, it ends up being &quot;Ok, only core book stuff is available unless I approve things on a case by case basis.&quot;, which ends up in a swarm of requests for approvals for stuff.&nbsp; Our last D&amp;D GM ended up approving 3 PrCs, a few feats, and a few magic items, disallowing pretty much everything else....Edit:&nbsp; Ironically enough, there is a thread about &quot;Which supplenents do you use for D&amp;D here: <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21005" target="_blank">http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=21005</a>Although there are some common books, like Relics and Rituals, nearly everyone has a few unique ones too.&nbsp; One guy admitted he has used 7 books to create his current character...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Samurai, post: 313281, member: 3850"] I wanted to thank Jeff for adding the Feats power, which is a simple and elegant solution to the problem! But where is my Tri-stat version? ;) People seemed to have skipped right over your post and kept on debating... Personally, I think the "problem" of not being D&Dish enough only comes up for those who are unwilling to use/learn any other game system. Those of us who regularly use 20+ different systems find the minor changes easy to understand. But I have said this before... I think in many ways, all the variations and alternate 3rd party rules for d20 will end up choking it. There are a half-dozen different ways to do ANYTHING, even just for D&D! From mass combat to ship rules to spells/spellcasting to PrCs, races, and feats, NO ONE can use all of it at once, and more and more things directly conflict with one another. If a bunch of people show up at a con to play a D&D game, and each player brings a 5th level character made with rules/feats/PrCs/spells from the core books plus 2d6 random 3rd party books, the characters probably won't be fully compatable! If just 1 company (WotC) were making official D&D books, there would be far less product, but at least it would be consistant and compatable and not give 6 different rules for the same thing. As it is, everyone has to ask "Can I use this spell, this feat, this PrC, etc from these books?", to which the GM probably says "I don't know, I don't have those books, I happen to have/use other 3rd party books." In many cases, it ends up being "Ok, only core book stuff is available unless I approve things on a case by case basis.", which ends up in a swarm of requests for approvals for stuff. Our last D&D GM ended up approving 3 PrCs, a few feats, and a few magic items, disallowing pretty much everything else.... Edit: Ironically enough, there is a thread about "Which supplenents do you use for D&D here: [url]http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21005[/url] Although there are some common books, like Relics and Rituals, nearly everyone has a few unique ones too. One guy admitted he has used 7 books to create his current character... [/QUOTE]

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