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<blockquote data-quote="whisper_jeff" data-source="post: 344954" data-attributes="member: 6370">Any product that puts d20 on the cover and then proceeds to change every convention that consumers have come to expect when they see d20, without advertising that fact, will fail.-----&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Quoted from the back cover text of SAS d20:&quot;Silver Age Sentinels pushes the boundaries of the d20 system with exciting and innovative new rules.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I really don't know how I could have made it any clearer that SAS d20 pushed the boundaries and attempted an innovative approach to d20...-----d20 is not just a die type in the consumers mind, it is a game design framework. This framework includes levels, feats, skills, and the like. -----&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; That is your opinion. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; My opinion is that a game system is about the task resolution mechanic. BESM, SAS (Tri-Stat), HKAT!, and Heaven &amp; Earth are all Tri-Stat games though each one uses a slightly different method of the same basic task resolution mechanic (Heaven &amp; Earth being the most divergent). If you know Tri-Stat, learning each of those games is incredibly easy. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The d20 system mechanic is &quot;roll a d20, add modifiers, attempt to achieve a result equal to or greater than the Difficult Class of the task.&quot; Everything beyond that is fluff on top of the base mechanic. If you know D&amp;D, for example, learning SAS d20 is incredibly easy. Some may disagree, but the basic mechanics of the games are identical.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; You're certainly welcome to disagree with me, as many others seem to, but it is my belief that a game system is about the core mechanic, not the flourishes.-----Removing these traits and replacing them with other stuff that you think is 'kewl' will frustrate consumers looking to use your product with OTHER d20 material.-----&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As I've said, SAS d20 is useable with other d20 material. Easily. Again, people are welcome to disagree with me, but in my experience the effort needed to drop a red dragon into SAS or Sentinel into your traditional fantasy d20 game is incredidbly minimal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="whisper_jeff, post: 344954, member: 6370"] Any product that puts d20 on the cover and then proceeds to change every convention that consumers have come to expect when they see d20, without advertising that fact, will fail. ----- Quoted from the back cover text of SAS d20: "Silver Age Sentinels pushes the boundaries of the d20 system with exciting and innovative new rules." I really don't know how I could have made it any clearer that SAS d20 pushed the boundaries and attempted an innovative approach to d20... ----- d20 is not just a die type in the consumers mind, it is a game design framework. This framework includes levels, feats, skills, and the like. ----- That is your opinion. My opinion is that a game system is about the task resolution mechanic. BESM, SAS (Tri-Stat), HKAT!, and Heaven & Earth are all Tri-Stat games though each one uses a slightly different method of the same basic task resolution mechanic (Heaven & Earth being the most divergent). If you know Tri-Stat, learning each of those games is incredibly easy. The d20 system mechanic is "roll a d20, add modifiers, attempt to achieve a result equal to or greater than the Difficult Class of the task." Everything beyond that is fluff on top of the base mechanic. If you know D&D, for example, learning SAS d20 is incredibly easy. Some may disagree, but the basic mechanics of the games are identical. You're certainly welcome to disagree with me, as many others seem to, but it is my belief that a game system is about the core mechanic, not the flourishes. ----- Removing these traits and replacing them with other stuff that you think is 'kewl' will frustrate consumers looking to use your product with OTHER d20 material. ----- As I've said, SAS d20 is useable with other d20 material. Easily. Again, people are welcome to disagree with me, but in my experience the effort needed to drop a red dragon into SAS or Sentinel into your traditional fantasy d20 game is incredidbly minimal. [/QUOTE]

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