Folks may remember Satine Phoenix from when she was an artist and minor celebrity in the D&D internet scene, rubbing elbows with folks like Matt Mercer and Wil Wheaton, and having a very high profile wedding at GaryCon 2022.
Folks may also remember Satine Phoenix from when she was accused of abusing and withholding payment from multiple freelancers/coworkers, alongside her business partner and (then) husband Jamison Stone at Apotheosis Studios.
D&D Celebrity Satine Phoenix & Husband Jamison Stone Accused Of Abuse Towards Freelancers
Jamison Stone & Satine Phoenix's Apotheosis Studio To Wind Down [UPDATED]
For the last ~3 years I have scarcely heard nor thought of her. But it appears that she’s recently started to work her way back into the internet celebrity D&D circuit. Here’s what I’ve found so far.
First, I blame @tenkar for sending me down this rabbit hole. He made a brief video about her resurfacing:
The interview Tenkar is referencing is here:
This is actually her second video with “Dracoya and the Pickled Dragon”. Previous video here:
I will say that, personally, I don’t find her credible at all. IMNSHO she takes zero accountability for anything and shows no empathy for anyone (except herself). But you can watch the video and decide for yourself if I’m being too harsh.
One thing discussed in the video that I will give credit for is that she appears to be working (at least a bit) on the $300k Kickstarter that Apotheosis Studios ran back in 2021 and completely bailed on. Link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stonejamison/sirens-battle-of-the-bards/posts It appears that about 2/5 of the material has been released in digital format. I wouldn’t hold my breath for any of the physical product to manifest. And Satine really isn’t helping herself when she makes a big point of saying “But like this whole me doing the Kickstarter, I don't owe anybody anything”. But she does seem to be committed to at least getting the game out there, and that's something worth noting.
I wish this post could stop here, but I made the mistake of looking for anything else new from Satine and found another interview on a channel called “Charmlogiq”. Their tagline is “Master charm & connection through AI”, which I don’t want to touch with a 10’ pole, and they have a series called “The First Seven Seconds”. The video is here:
If I thought Satine was irritating in the previous videos, I would have to say she’s outright disturbing here. To start, she talks about “being cancelled” as if it was a car wreck that happened to her rather than a part of her life that she was actually present and accountable for. But the discussion really goes off the rails when she starts to mix absolutely bizarre pseudoscience psychobabble with D&D. Here’s a transcription of some of the worst bits, starting from somewhere around the 20:00 mark:
“When I'm walking into someone's psyche with them, it's very interesting. Dungeons and Dragons helped me a lot to be able to do this.
I'm like the navigator, but this person. I'm like, "Okay, it's over here. You interact with them.” So, I'm just kind of standing aside and guiding them, but they talk to themselves. So, they talk to this manager, and the manager usually thinks that they're younger, right? And all of a sudden, they're like, "I don't trust you. You don't have what it takes to protect yourself."
And so through gratitude, through showing appreciation for the hard work that they've done, you build a relationship with this manager. The manager moves out of the way. Usually I have them come with us. “Okay, well, why don't you just stand here, and let us show you that we're trustworthy.” Then we go back into the past. We have an interaction. I'll usually be able.
I'm like, look, this is like Dungeons and Dragons. It's a scene in your mind, in your body. It's like in your cells. You can fast forward, you can rewind, you can pause, you can unfreeze yourself while everything else is frozen. And then there's an interaction. Either they give it the love that they should have gotten from their caretaker, they can remove themselves from that moment, they can, you know, speak for themselves and do whatever. But then they take themselves out of that situation, move them forward and integrate them into their bodies.”
Emphasis mine. Great googly moogly. This is not at all like Dungeons and Dragons. This is some bizarre Chick Tract level whackadoodoo crazy talk. I can’t tell if Satine actually believes this, is just selling something, or is trying to single-handedly reboot the Satanic Panic.
For the record, D&D should not be considered a training method for either psychological therapy, or for projection into other people's psyches. And it certainly is not in your cells.
Finally, to end on a lighter note, Satine further makes herself appear as a pompous egomaniac at the ~1:03:00 mark by claiming:
“So for people who don't know who I am, I was a gamer. You know, internet gamer. I invented the live stream Dungeons and Dragons and that was in 2010.”
Umm… no.
The history of actual play as entertainment.
Folks may also remember Satine Phoenix from when she was accused of abusing and withholding payment from multiple freelancers/coworkers, alongside her business partner and (then) husband Jamison Stone at Apotheosis Studios.
D&D Celebrity Satine Phoenix & Husband Jamison Stone Accused Of Abuse Towards Freelancers
Jamison Stone & Satine Phoenix's Apotheosis Studio To Wind Down [UPDATED]
For the last ~3 years I have scarcely heard nor thought of her. But it appears that she’s recently started to work her way back into the internet celebrity D&D circuit. Here’s what I’ve found so far.
First, I blame @tenkar for sending me down this rabbit hole. He made a brief video about her resurfacing:
The interview Tenkar is referencing is here:
This is actually her second video with “Dracoya and the Pickled Dragon”. Previous video here:
I will say that, personally, I don’t find her credible at all. IMNSHO she takes zero accountability for anything and shows no empathy for anyone (except herself). But you can watch the video and decide for yourself if I’m being too harsh.
One thing discussed in the video that I will give credit for is that she appears to be working (at least a bit) on the $300k Kickstarter that Apotheosis Studios ran back in 2021 and completely bailed on. Link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stonejamison/sirens-battle-of-the-bards/posts It appears that about 2/5 of the material has been released in digital format. I wouldn’t hold my breath for any of the physical product to manifest. And Satine really isn’t helping herself when she makes a big point of saying “But like this whole me doing the Kickstarter, I don't owe anybody anything”. But she does seem to be committed to at least getting the game out there, and that's something worth noting.
I wish this post could stop here, but I made the mistake of looking for anything else new from Satine and found another interview on a channel called “Charmlogiq”. Their tagline is “Master charm & connection through AI”, which I don’t want to touch with a 10’ pole, and they have a series called “The First Seven Seconds”. The video is here:
If I thought Satine was irritating in the previous videos, I would have to say she’s outright disturbing here. To start, she talks about “being cancelled” as if it was a car wreck that happened to her rather than a part of her life that she was actually present and accountable for. But the discussion really goes off the rails when she starts to mix absolutely bizarre pseudoscience psychobabble with D&D. Here’s a transcription of some of the worst bits, starting from somewhere around the 20:00 mark:
“When I'm walking into someone's psyche with them, it's very interesting. Dungeons and Dragons helped me a lot to be able to do this.
I'm like the navigator, but this person. I'm like, "Okay, it's over here. You interact with them.” So, I'm just kind of standing aside and guiding them, but they talk to themselves. So, they talk to this manager, and the manager usually thinks that they're younger, right? And all of a sudden, they're like, "I don't trust you. You don't have what it takes to protect yourself."
And so through gratitude, through showing appreciation for the hard work that they've done, you build a relationship with this manager. The manager moves out of the way. Usually I have them come with us. “Okay, well, why don't you just stand here, and let us show you that we're trustworthy.” Then we go back into the past. We have an interaction. I'll usually be able.
I'm like, look, this is like Dungeons and Dragons. It's a scene in your mind, in your body. It's like in your cells. You can fast forward, you can rewind, you can pause, you can unfreeze yourself while everything else is frozen. And then there's an interaction. Either they give it the love that they should have gotten from their caretaker, they can remove themselves from that moment, they can, you know, speak for themselves and do whatever. But then they take themselves out of that situation, move them forward and integrate them into their bodies.”
Emphasis mine. Great googly moogly. This is not at all like Dungeons and Dragons. This is some bizarre Chick Tract level whackadoodoo crazy talk. I can’t tell if Satine actually believes this, is just selling something, or is trying to single-handedly reboot the Satanic Panic.
For the record, D&D should not be considered a training method for either psychological therapy, or for projection into other people's psyches. And it certainly is not in your cells.
Finally, to end on a lighter note, Satine further makes herself appear as a pompous egomaniac at the ~1:03:00 mark by claiming:
“So for people who don't know who I am, I was a gamer. You know, internet gamer. I invented the live stream Dungeons and Dragons and that was in 2010.”
Umm… no.
The history of actual play as entertainment.
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