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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 719216" data-attributes="member: 957">OK.&nbsp; I admit that the ECL in SS work fine for those pretty rare cases where someone wants to use a more complicated system without any guidance for class skills.I'll simply claim that they could have given me the exact same tools by saying that 1HD races loss that HD when they gain a class, so they are all listed as zero HD in the tables.You fabrication of a human with a kobold skill set scenario does nothing to support SS.&nbsp; If they intended somthing like this couldn't they simply add one little sentence saying that you need to come up with the skill list based on some rational?&nbsp; And your option actually contradicts Table 2-2.&nbsp; Table 2-2 has a column for &quot;Skill Points of Base Creature&quot;&nbsp; For all cases with more than 1 HD this column agrees with Table 2-1.&nbsp; But for the 1 HD cases they all say &quot;as class&quot;.&nbsp; So they ONLY get class skill points.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even if you point to the 1 Hit Die Creatures sidebar, Table 2-2 still contradicts itself because the Starting ECL column assumes that you keep the HD and the Skill Points of Base Creature column assumes you dump it.&nbsp; So there is still errata needed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 719216, member: 957"] OK. I admit that the ECL in SS work fine for those pretty rare cases where someone wants to use a more complicated system without any guidance for class skills. I'll simply claim that they could have given me the exact same tools by saying that 1HD races loss that HD when they gain a class, so they are all listed as zero HD in the tables. You fabrication of a human with a kobold skill set scenario does nothing to support SS. If they intended somthing like this couldn't they simply add one little sentence saying that you need to come up with the skill list based on some rational? And your option actually contradicts Table 2-2. Table 2-2 has a column for "Skill Points of Base Creature" For all cases with more than 1 HD this column agrees with Table 2-1. But for the 1 HD cases they all say "as class". So they ONLY get class skill points. Even if you point to the 1 Hit Die Creatures sidebar, Table 2-2 still contradicts itself because the Starting ECL column assumes that you keep the HD and the Skill Points of Base Creature column assumes you dump it. So there is still errata needed. [/QUOTE]

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