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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 720326" data-attributes="member: 957">This has become a mountain out of a molehill.But it IS an error.It is not possible to make a character for which all of Table 2-2 is correct.  I do not understand why you refuse to admit that.But class levels are not included in Starting ECL.  If your spin is correct, then the defintion of Starting ECL for bugbear is different than the definition of Starting ECL for high elf.  Which is an error.In which case Skill Points of Base Creature is wrong.  Which is an error.Either way, there is an error.The simple solution would be to pick one and have table 2-2 be correct for the selection.  Then have a sidebar that offers the alternative and explain what to change.Instead Table 2-2 assumes one option for one column and the other for another.  Which is wrong.If I am wrong, it will be trivially easy to prove it.  Show me a high elf character that meets the following criteria:The definition of starting ECL is the same for both the Bugbear and the High Elf.  (So ECL = class level plus starting ECL).All columns of Table 2-2 are correctly implemented as presented in the table.  You can't do it because if you stay consistent with the Bugbear you mustA) have a 2 HD elf/class1 with skills that don't match the skill points of base creature column  ORB) have a 1 HD elf(classless) with skills that don't match the skill points of base creature column  ORC) have a zero racial HD Elf class1 with an ECL = 1, so the Starting ECL is not correctly consistent with the bugbear.No matter what there is a contradiction.The fix is simple.  Errata the table to go with the presumptive preferential option.  The high elf drops its racial HD and the Hit Dice column = 0, and the Starting ECL = 0.  Then offer in the sidebar an option to keep the HD for an extra ECL of 1.  Of course, then you still need to offer some guidance on what skill set should be used as class skills for that HD.</blockquote>

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