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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nyarlathotep" data-source="post: 1500155" data-attributes="member: 1799">Full Ogres would be minimum Effective Character Level 6 (4 racial Hit Dice + 2 Level Adjustment + any class levels). Ogre Barbarian 1 would be a level 7 character.To me +3 doesn't seem too bad at all. A Half-ogre Barbarian 1 would be a level 4 character, just slightly better than half of the Ogre Barb1 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.The size advantage is definately worth +1 (Reach, increased base weapon damage - sure there is a -1 AC and attack penalty but it's well worth it).The unbalanced attribute bonus is worth another +1, especially since Str and Con are boosted. You'd never take a half-ogre to be a sorcerer or wizard so this plays to the benefit of fighting classes - or even a cleric.The last +1 comes from all the other racial benefits. I'm of the opinion that the +4 natural armor should be worth +1 by itself, as most (if not all) natural armor buffs are now enhancement bonuses. Darkvision is valuable to everyone. Giant blood can be both a bonus and a liability.I made half-ogres "humanoids (giant)" in my game because of a similar issue. If you make the half-ogre a giant type they also gain resistances to a great many spells (those that apply to humanoids only - and there are a great many of those, which nulifies the disadvantage of a half-ogre fighting type... Will saves).IMC the half-ogre is way too overpowered at just +1 LA. +2 would be the equivalent to a Githzerai and there are some parallels there. Both have large bonuses to their best attributes - STR/CON for half-ogre, WIS/DEX for githzerai - big boosts to the "prime requisites" of their favored classes. Now add the benefits or reach, the improved weapon damage, and a +4 natural armor bonus. I think +3 is just about right, but YMMV <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.Edited: To hide my tendancy to post before proof-reading to make sure I have completed all my sentances.</blockquote>

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