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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hardhead" data-source="post: 723643" data-attributes="member: 2844">Way, way to low.  It's quite litterally broken, not just overpowered.   But it's balanced out because they're forced to take three "levels" in the Humanoid "class," which bites compared to real classes.Let's see.  Let's make two characters with the same stats.  They have a 16 as their highest stat.A third level human fighter would have an attack roll of +7.  (+3 strength, +3 BAB, Weapon Focus).  The half-Ogre would have an attack of +7 (+6 str, +1 BAB, Weapon Focus, -1 size). The human deals an average of 7.5 damage (1d8+3 damage with his longsword).  The half ogre deals an average damage of 13 (2d6+6) with his greatsword he wields in one hand.The human has three more feats (one racial, one for second level fighter, one for being a third level character).The half-ogre is unaffected by spells and effects that only work on medium sized humanoids, such as Charm and Hold Person.The AC of the human is 21 (full plate armor, large steel shield, 12-13 dex).  The Ogre has an AC of 23 (full plate armor, large steel shield, +4 nat armor, 10-11 dex.  Note that it would be one higher if the player had the brains to put a 14-15 into their dex before racial adjustments, -1 size).The human has a reach of 5'.  The half-ogre a reach of 10'.The fighter, with a con of 10, has 19 hit points on average.  The half-Ogre has 11.So, uh, yeah.  The Ogre looses out slightly in HP (but beats him soundly in AC, so that should even it out, and as levels progress, he'll catch up and pass the human's HP due to the con bonus).  He'll be a few feats behind, but nothing serious.  Over the next couple levels, he'll catch up a bit there too, but will generally stay two feats behind, in exchange for everything listed here.Wow.  Yeah, I'd actually always pick the Half-ogre/1st level figther over a 3rd level fighter, I didn't even realize it was *that* powerful until I did the math.  I think it should maybe even be ECL +3 now.- Z a c h</blockquote>

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