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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BLACKDIRGE" data-source="post: 732033" data-attributes="member: 1953">Here is a good comparison fro those who think the half-ogre should be ECL 2. Lets compare our half ogre to a race that is already accepted as ECL 2, the drow.Hit dicedrow- 1Half-ogre- 1Stat BonusesDrow- net +4Half-Ogre- net +2Drow gets the edge hereSkill BonusesDrow- +2 to spot, listen and searchHalf-ogre - none drow gets the edge here as wellSpecial AbilitiesDrow- darkvision 120ft, spell resistance, +2 saves vs spells, spell-like abilities, immune to sleep, +2 saves vs enchantmentHalf-ogre- lagre size (reach 10 ft, can carry more) +4 natural armor, darkvision 30ftlooks like the drow wins againDrawbacksDrow- light blindness, known to be evilHalf-Ogre- large size (-1 AC, -1 to hit, more expensive equipment), not accepted in civilized areas Half-ogre has a slight edge hereVersatilitydrow- there is virtually no class that a drow would not do well inhalf-ogre- fighter and barbarian are the only real choices that the half-ogres stat minuses would not be a detriment. drow a clear winner herNow I think its pretty clear that a drow elf is a superior race in almost every way and if they are ECL 2, then a half-ogre should be ECL 1. I think a lot of people in this thread are only looking at one aspect of the ECL, that a half-ogre is good in combat. I don't think an ECL can be figured that way, it has to take in the whole picture. Simply put a half-ogre has virtually no versatility and in a game like D&D that is a very important aspect.Dirge</blockquote>

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