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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 736962" data-attributes="member: 6875">I know people just HATE to hear this, but -- most exotic races wil have RP drawbacks, due to that VERY element: they are exotic.  Many of them hideously so (literally).I won't argue with you there.  A touch less Strength (say +4), cut the Natural armor in half, maybe a Wisdom penalty ... that'd cut the legs out from under the Half-Oge, and I doubt many people woudl argue against it being ECL+1, then.I daresay, there are better feats to play to the Half-Ogre's abilities than Weapon Focus.  "Large and In Charge" perhaps.Also, you're supposed to use average attributes, not any other number.So your Halforc has +4 to hit (+1 strength, +1 focus, +2 BAB); yoru halfoge has +3 or +4 to hit (+3 strength, +1 focus, -1 size, and maybe +1 focus).A greatsword which cost him nearly four times as much as the half-orc's longsword -- prices straight out of the PHB.  Not to mention his armor costs the halfogre more, too (size large).And again, average attributes: halforc, 1d8+1 is 5.5; halfogre 2d6+3 is 10.  Still only 4.5 ahead, but let's keep this all down to average-stat-levels.And dwarves get bonusses against him.  Gnomes too IIRC.At double cost for armor, for Large creatures (PHB page 105, sidebar) ... the Half-Oge isn't going to be wearing full plate armor at ECL2.  No way, not by a LONG shot (we're talking 3,000gp of armor ... the Half-Orc coudl get +1 Full Plate for less!).ECL2 characters start with 900gp (DMG, page 43-ish).  50 for sword, 50 for "gneric adventuring sundies", say 50gp for a few day's pocket money and/or rations.  That'd leave 650gp ... not even enough for half-plate; our Halfogre is only wearing Banded Mail ... 2 AC lower than your list, costing him 500gp.Of course, the halforc can only afford Half-plate himself.  Fair's fair.So our AC comparisons are:  Half-orc, AC 19 (halfplate, large steel shield, all attributes average.  Costs him 620gp; with weapon, that means he's spent 635gp so far.  Half-ogre, AC 21 (large banded mail, large steel shield, natural armor, large size, DEX of 8 - average for the race).  Costs him 580gp; with his weapon, 630gp.  With that other feat, btw, the Halforc could pick up Dodge, and get another point of AC.All acid tests are done at average stats --- 10's and 11's.  On all sides.The halfogre, with one level of Fighter, gets all of 11HP, true.The Halforc gets 10, +1d10 -- averaging 15.5hp.  Where you got 14.5, I don't honestly know -- a single d10 averages to 5.5 per level, and first level HP are of course maximum.  Thus the ORc has about 4.5 more hitpoints -- an entire pre-strength Longsword blow, or slightly more than one MM hit (feasible at this low level).I don't think 1 or 2 points of AC is "soundly beating" anyone or anything.You didn't look fairly and accurately at the comparison, IMO.  Please look again; being Large has BAD things as well as good -- armor cost being a big one.To close, consider this as well: in a melee, who is going to attract ATTENTION, the generic-gumby halforc fighter ... or his BIG halfogre buddy?Answer: the halfogre.  He'll get attacked slightly more often, too.</blockquote>

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