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[Savage Species]Half-ogre overpowered??
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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 738620" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>If you review the rest of this thread, you'll find that clvl 5 is not the only level at which the half-ogre stomps fighters from other races into the ground. In fact, just a couple pages ago, you'll find several examples of ideal situations for the non-half-ogre fighter (clvl 6, reach treated as irrelevant; a half-ogre with standard feats that don't take advantage of his reach or other abilities) which demonstrate the half-ogre to be roughly equal to a fighter two levels higher than him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a pretty good defense of yourself Pax, but that you would have to use it doesn't say much for the rules themselves now does it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. Review the previous pages. You'll find that selecting different break points doesn't change the equation. I'd wager a half-ogre fighter 5 against a half-orc fighter 6. (Especially if I got to choose the half-ogre's feats). I'd definitely pick the ECL +1 half-ogre over the half-orc for an adventuring party (where the dynamics are somewhat different from one on one encounters). And that's the <strong>IDEAL</strong> comparison point from the half-orc's POV. After that, it just gets worse for him.</p><p></p><p>In fact, pick nearly any break point you want. Clvl 7? A half-ogre fighter 6 against a half-orc fighter 7 no problem. Clvl 8, clvl 9, clvl 10? Half Ogre fighter. All the way. Clvl 11 (The half-orc's next best shot but he's still not going to win). Clvl 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20? Where is a better break point for the comparison? I suggest that clvl 1, 6, 11, and 16 are not a representative sample of the places to compare the two characters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The same could be said for level one comparisons. And in that case it's accurate. Just about every other level at which you could analyze the half-ogre demonstrates the imbalance Forrester is mentioning.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 738620, member: 3146"] If you review the rest of this thread, you'll find that clvl 5 is not the only level at which the half-ogre stomps fighters from other races into the ground. In fact, just a couple pages ago, you'll find several examples of ideal situations for the non-half-ogre fighter (clvl 6, reach treated as irrelevant; a half-ogre with standard feats that don't take advantage of his reach or other abilities) which demonstrate the half-ogre to be roughly equal to a fighter two levels higher than him. [b][/b] That's a pretty good defense of yourself Pax, but that you would have to use it doesn't say much for the rules themselves now does it? [b][/b] Right. Review the previous pages. You'll find that selecting different break points doesn't change the equation. I'd wager a half-ogre fighter 5 against a half-orc fighter 6. (Especially if I got to choose the half-ogre's feats). I'd definitely pick the ECL +1 half-ogre over the half-orc for an adventuring party (where the dynamics are somewhat different from one on one encounters). And that's the [b]IDEAL[/b] comparison point from the half-orc's POV. After that, it just gets worse for him. In fact, pick nearly any break point you want. Clvl 7? A half-ogre fighter 6 against a half-orc fighter 7 no problem. Clvl 8, clvl 9, clvl 10? Half Ogre fighter. All the way. Clvl 11 (The half-orc's next best shot but he's still not going to win). Clvl 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20? Where is a better break point for the comparison? I suggest that clvl 1, 6, 11, and 16 are not a representative sample of the places to compare the two characters. [b][/B] The same could be said for level one comparisons. And in that case it's accurate. Just about every other level at which you could analyze the half-ogre demonstrates the imbalance Forrester is mentioning. [/QUOTE]
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