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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 723178" data-attributes="member: 8439">definitly the way I'll be doing it. The whole "don't multiclass character & monster classes" thing is good against powergamers, but I just don't game with them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />   there will be places where the straight monster class advancement makes sense. Outsiders, elementals, feys to some extent... its fairly reasonable for them to gain power through experience with using power. A 1st level succubus isn't really a true succubus yet - just a nasty little demon with plans. With those sort of characters I might even go a step further and give the option of continuing the monster class - add more spell like abilities that fit the concept, increase DCs and usages of others, grant bonus monster feats, etc. Much more satisfying (and logical) than reaching the height of your demonic powers and then learning your first level spells as a sorc...Kahuna Burger[edit - I posted a poll on the character vs monster class issue in the house rules forum, btw]</blockquote>