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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drkfathr1" data-source="post: 723682" data-attributes="member: 5617">I think alot of it boils down to the individual DM/Group and their particular style of play. Like a lot of you I have problems with the Monster Classes too. I find it hard to come up with psuedo-realistic reasons why the monster starts out so weak, but within a few adventures has "beefed" up physically without actual character classes. Some monsters obviously work better for this than others...I love the book overall, I think it has some great rules and provides some very interesting options. I think I'll get a lot more use out of it as a DM than my players ever would, but that was probably the idea all along. I do have problems with ECL though. PC's are supposed to have a CR equal to their level. So an 8th level Fighter is CR8, so is an 8th level Wizard, or Cleric, or Psion. But a Mind Flayer is CR 8, and is considered a 15th level character before the addition of any class levels? I don't think that works. You can't tell me that the Mind Flayer "Class" is comparable to a low level Fighter, or Sorcerer, or Cleric , or anything else. No attack bonus at 1st level, weak saves, no weapon group proficiencies, no armor proficiencies, one feat, a few skill points, and no special abilities. All it can do is attack with it's tentacles for 1d4 points of damage. A first level human fighter can take two-weapon fighting, ambidexterity, and wield two rapiers and be more of a threat than a stinking 1st level Mind Flayer. Okay, enough about the Mind Flayer....I really did like the book, but I still don't think the ECL's are balanced properly for each monster.</blockquote>

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