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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 705108" data-attributes="member: 1879">Abusive?Wow. Of all the classes to pick as being subject to abuse that is about the last one I would have thought of.A commoner might be able to take it at second level, but no PC class can get into it before 6th and multiclassing only makes it harder. So supposing Joe the fighter starts taking this class at 6th level and finishes at 10th. Fred the fighter is a straight 10th level fighter.&lt;table cellpadding=2 border=2&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;2&quot; color=&quot;#ffffcc&quot;&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Name&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Joe&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;Fred&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;BAB&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+10/+5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;HP&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;50&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;60&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Fort&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+8&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Ref&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;Will&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;+3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/table&gt;The 5/- Damage reduction will more than make up for Joes inferior HPs. His saves are 1 to 2 points better and he had uncanny dodge and improved evasion. Fred had twice his base attack, and an itterative attack. I'm actually betting on Fred if they fight. So Joe is a 10th level fighter with the BAB of a wizard, the Uncanny Dodge of a 5th level barbarian and the improved evasion of a 9th level monk. It's a cool class, but abusive it ain't. Without the damage reduction it would be unjusitifiably weak.-Andor</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andor, post: 705108, member: 1879"] [b]Abusive?[/b] Wow. Of all the classes to pick as being subject to abuse that is about the last one I would have thought of. A commoner might be able to take it at second level, but no PC class can get into it before 6th and multiclassing only makes it harder. So supposing Joe the fighter starts taking this class at 6th level and finishes at 10th. Fred the fighter is a straight 10th level fighter. <table cellpadding=2 border=2><body><tr><td>Name</td><td>Joe</td><td>Fred</td></tr> <tr><td>BAB</td><td>+5</td><td>+10/+5</td></tr> <tr><td>HP</td><td>50</td><td>60</td></tr> <tr><td>Fort</td><td>+8</td><td>+7</td></tr> <tr><td>Ref</td><td>+5</td><td>+3</td></tr> <tr><td>Will</td><td>+5</td><td>+3</td></tr> </body></table> The 5/- Damage reduction will more than make up for Joes inferior HPs. His saves are 1 to 2 points better and he had uncanny dodge and improved evasion. Fred had twice his base attack, and an itterative attack. I'm actually betting on Fred if they fight. So Joe is a 10th level fighter with the BAB of a wizard, the Uncanny Dodge of a 5th level barbarian and the improved evasion of a 9th level monk. It's a cool class, but abusive it ain't. Without the damage reduction it would be unjusitifiably weak. -Andor [/QUOTE]

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