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Message: <blockquote data-quote="touc" data-source="post: 8007713" data-attributes="member: 19270"><p>It's doable if Vanthus keeps coming back. One of the things that makes him totally despicable is he keeps getting free passes by using people: his parents, Lavinia, Brissa, the Lotus Dragons, and so on. I took a ton of ideas from a <a href="https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oedr?Vs-Savage-Tide-Campaign-Log" target="_blank">poster named Vermilleo as he detailed his campaign. </a>It's brilliant. While I didn't use everything, his ideas fleshed out my Vanthus, and he had great ideas (his group never finished the campaign) of keeping Vanthus as a recurring, escalating villain (even though the ultimate BBEG is "you know who" demon lord). By coming back for being despicable, he keeps getting free passes. Combine this with some creepiness towards Lavinia and can guarantee players will hate this guy and take great satisfaction if they ever catch up to him.</p></blockquote><p></p>