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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5174863" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>You can't. </p><p></p><p>It's a really good example of why you can't build balanced classes using a point buy system.</p><p></p><p>The basic problem with the class is it takes an already strong class, and trades alot of minor features of the class for major enhancements of its core and strongest feature and on top of that takes an animal companion to make it a powerful combatant as well. That can never be made balanced. It's almost a gestalt class. There isn't enough to strip off the class which can do it. Even if the class had a worse than poor attack progress (say +5 at 20th level) and no weapon proficiencies, it still wouldn't get more balanced because its trading away stuff it doesn't really plan to use for stuff it plans to use all the time.</p><p></p><p>In fact, the only thing I can see that would make it slightly more balanced and still contain the concept is that if it used Intelligence or Charisma as the base for its spellcasting rather than Wisdom. As it is, this class can dump stat everything but Wisdom and Constitution because it doesn't need anything else. But that just raises a minor difficulty for the would be optimizer; it does nothing to make this actually balanced. In fact, it still probably wouldn't be balanced even if it dropped the animal companion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5174863, member: 4937"] You can't. It's a really good example of why you can't build balanced classes using a point buy system. The basic problem with the class is it takes an already strong class, and trades alot of minor features of the class for major enhancements of its core and strongest feature and on top of that takes an animal companion to make it a powerful combatant as well. That can never be made balanced. It's almost a gestalt class. There isn't enough to strip off the class which can do it. Even if the class had a worse than poor attack progress (say +5 at 20th level) and no weapon proficiencies, it still wouldn't get more balanced because its trading away stuff it doesn't really plan to use for stuff it plans to use all the time. In fact, the only thing I can see that would make it slightly more balanced and still contain the concept is that if it used Intelligence or Charisma as the base for its spellcasting rather than Wisdom. As it is, this class can dump stat everything but Wisdom and Constitution because it doesn't need anything else. But that just raises a minor difficulty for the would be optimizer; it does nothing to make this actually balanced. In fact, it still probably wouldn't be balanced even if it dropped the animal companion. [/QUOTE]
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